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Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg246787#msg246787
« on: January 13, 2011, 08:36:42 pm »
NAME:
Blow Fly
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
3 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1|1
TEXT:
Hard to Hit: any damage dealt to Blow Fly by spells is reduced to 0.  :air: Intangible for one round.
NAME:
Bloat Fly
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
5 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|1
TEXT:
Hard to Hit: any damage dealt to Bloat Fly by spells is reduced to 0.  :air: Intangible for one round.
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Passive Abilities: Airborne
"Intangible for one round": one FULL turn for each player. For example, I activate the Intangible ability & end my turn. Opponent goes, Fly cannot be targeted. My turn again: fly is still intangible. Once my turn ends, the round is considered over and the fly is no longer intangible. This ability may only be activated while the fly is tangible (or not "phased out").
Easter Egg: if a spider uses its "Web" ability on either Blow Fly or Bloat Fly, that spider gets +1|+1 and the Fly dies.
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Phase (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18675.0.html)
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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg246987#msg246987
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2011, 12:58:54 am »
Interesting card, but I'm worried that it would take from Vulture's glory. Vulture currently starts with the same stats, and doesn't have invunerability to spells, or the option to shift out of phase. I see that this costs more, but it would still make a vulture seem weak, which doesn't fit thematically because a vulture would beat a fly any day in my book.
However, I do like the expensive immortality idea, fits with the card idea - and nobody is going to argue that a fly can't seem to avoid every single hit you throw at it in the middle of the night after it has decided it should land right inside your ear.
The little easter egg with the web ability is genius in my opinion, I wish all cards had little things like that.

Onto balance, invunerability to spells and the ability to sift out of phase may work in general, but I dislike this for the sole reason that this is a scavenger. If you have built a good deck, the only oppurtunity I really get to kill it is right at the start. Lots of CC is held on spells, and a card which makes them all useless seems a bit annoying to me. Singling out a single type of card seems the wrong way to go here IMO.

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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg246991#msg246991
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2011, 01:01:38 am »
I too like the easter egg, clever.

Basically agree with DrunkDestroyer on all accounts; it is a stronger Vulture.

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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg246993#msg246993
« Reply #3 on: January 14, 2011, 01:03:55 am »
Suggestion: Remove Scavenger and give it a starting attack.
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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg247010#msg247010
« Reply #4 on: January 14, 2011, 01:20:08 am »
I need to learn to trust my instincts. The original concept had no 'Scavenger' (added as an afterthought to streamline the Death synergy) and had an attack of 1 with a cost of 3 :death.

How about the "Round" concept? That's what really concerns me: is it easily understandable? Any problems with the mechanic?
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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg247023#msg247023
« Reply #5 on: January 14, 2011, 01:41:20 am »
The round concept is okay and easily discovered when used.
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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg247036#msg247036
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2011, 01:50:13 am »
Cards updated. Dropped Scavenger. I'm still concerned about the casting cost. The upgraded fly got a boost to attack as well. Perhaps a cost of 4 :death & 6 :death...
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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg247056#msg247056
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 02:09:19 am »
No, don't increase the cost, this is already expensive.  3:1 or 5:3 are both horrible quantum-to-damage ratios, even with the immunity to damage spells.

I'm not seeing a whole lot of point to this card... it's like a Skeleton that can't be summoned via death effects.  The :death :air synergy would be interesting, so maybe try to think of some ways this can interact with what Air already has?  I know it's unoriginal, but the ability could simply be changed to Dive.  Or maybe it could automatically Dive every time a death effect is triggered?

I hate to step on your toes with new ideas of my own, but in every situation I can see myself wanting to use some card other than this.  The anti-damage-spell effect is decent on its own, it just needs an ability that will provide more interesting combinations.

(Did you see my card idea titled, "Hear Me Roar?"  It started out as anti-silence and then I thought it needed to be non-situational so I added Shockwave-on-a-stick, and that ability was a bad idea.  That card really needs a more interesting, balanced ability to give it interesting, balanced combinations.  So as I'm saying this to you, I'm reminding myself.  ;))

Dive is just one idea, brainstorm a bit more and see what you can come up with.

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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg247141#msg247141
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2011, 04:55:44 am »
well, you could have  :air :light synergy with blessing
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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg247221#msg247221
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2011, 10:45:00 am »
....   i'm think i'm don't read text good enough  cuz i'm still don't understand how should i wanna make it untargetable if it can't take dmg from spell?

btw...   this thing will be great with rage. right?

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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg247452#msg247452
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2011, 05:36:16 pm »
....   i'm think i'm don't read text good enough  cuz i'm still don't understand how should i wanna make it untargetable if it can't take dmg from spell?
Ya know, that's a damned good point. I'll have to think on this some more.


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btw...   this thing will be great with rage. right?
I'm not sure I follow. If you mean Rage Potion, sure, but it'd kill the fly.
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Re: Blow Fly | Bloat Fly https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19434.msg247461#msg247461
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2011, 05:47:38 pm »
....   i'm think i'm don't read text good enough  cuz i'm still don't understand how should i wanna make it untargetable if it can't take dmg from spell?
Ya know, that's a damned good point. I'll have to think on this some more.


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btw...   this thing will be great with rage. right?
I'm not sure I follow. If you mean Rage Potion, sure, but it'd kill the fly.
Rage Potion is a spell that deals damage.
I suggest dropping the Hard to Kill and decreasing the cost by 1
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