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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg427788#msg427788
« Reply #12 on: November 19, 2011, 01:29:06 pm »
now i can mass skybiltz and fractal.  (have anyone want to mass miracle?   ^-^)

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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg427849#msg427849
« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2011, 04:56:35 pm »
now i can mass skybiltz and fractal.  (have anyone want to mass miracle?   ^-^)
OMG, you're right! A fractal will now cost 18 :rainbow and will drain all :aether. So it's really possible that people will cast more than one, one after another!
Serious problem here!

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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg428019#msg428019
« Reply #14 on: November 19, 2011, 11:54:53 pm »
Fixed in the notes, unfortunately, there's not enough space to stuff all that text in the card

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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg428790#msg428790
« Reply #15 on: November 21, 2011, 06:38:26 pm »
why does the upgraded one have an extra quantum cost, but does the same exact thing as the unupped? shouldnt it be the other way around?
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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg428898#msg428898
« Reply #16 on: November 21, 2011, 10:41:18 pm »
I don't like the cost in the upped version. It's not elegant imo. :)
The card has some sort of attractive esthetic without a cost.

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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg429066#msg429066
« Reply #17 on: November 22, 2011, 04:49:18 am »
I think the cost is fine, given the massive increase in effect. The main issue I'm having is whether or not we really need stronger rainbows.
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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg429140#msg429140
« Reply #18 on: November 22, 2011, 09:07:20 am »
why does the upgraded one have an extra quantum cost, but does the same exact thing as the unupped? shouldnt it be the other way around?
No it doesn't. Upped one allows ALL SPELLS PLAYED THIS TURN to use random quanta. un-upped only affects the next spell you play.

I think the cost is fine, given the massive increase in effect. The main issue I'm having is whether or not we really need stronger rainbows.
I don't think this is for rainbows. They can summon all the spells they want without alchemy. This is for decks that don't want to be slowed by another element just so they could use a spell from that element.

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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg429191#msg429191
« Reply #19 on: November 22, 2011, 02:30:23 pm »
I think the unupped version is weak. Playing two cards to play one card is a serious disadvantage, no matter what quanta is costs.


Here's what I would do:

- make both cards permanents that lasts one round
- unupped version would use the quanta of your mark
- upped would be like you made it

So the only difference between the cards would be that one used quanta of your mark, while the other uses any quanta.

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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg429225#msg429225
« Reply #20 on: November 22, 2011, 04:05:59 pm »
Maybe make it :water? It fits the element, and you could use scaredgirl ideas combined with a free unupped (like the one you have)

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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg429234#msg429234
« Reply #21 on: November 22, 2011, 04:28:51 pm »
Hrm....Intriguing idea.
For the record, Discord HATES this card idea. Then again...Well, it's useful for allowing better duos and trios...
IDK what to think. Except that the upgraded really shouldn't cost 4, even if it is  :rainbow quanta.
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Re: Alchemistry | Superior Alchemistry https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33878.msg429236#msg429236
« Reply #22 on: November 22, 2011, 04:33:13 pm »
Maybe make it :water? It fits the element, and you could use scaredgirl ideas combined with a free unupped (like the one you have)
Nah I still prefer    :rainbow because I like the colour scheme >_>

Yeah I'm considering to change it into a permanent but...

The thing is, since alchemy would reduce the need for adding another element for that element's spell, " the only difference between the cards would be that one used quanta of your mark, while the other uses any quanta." won't do much.

Let me give an example. Let's say you have this   :life Deck, but you want some sort of PC, maybe Deflag. Normally you could just add some pendulums, but using Alchemy means you don't need the fire pendulums, so you'd be using a mono  :life deck, with a  :life mark along with alchemy, so that means, using the normal Alchemy card is fine, upgrading it isn't worth it, because with alchemy, you'd be using  :life , and with Superior Alchemy, you'd STILL use  :life.

Also, I just realised how fabulously underpowered alchemy is. By not allowing to use the spells like Fractal and Miracle...Alchemy only restricts you to using spells that don't use much quantums. Infact, if I wanted Lightning in my :death deck for CC, I could've just changed my mark to  :aether, instead of cluttering my deck with alchemy...so that means this card is counterproductive... >_>

Ah, I'll really need some severe tweaking with this. How does having it as an indefinite permanent sound?

 

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