Dove | Elite Dove

[the dictator]

NAME: Dove ELEMENT: Light COST: 4 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 2 TEXT: Set free: Remove Dove. Pacifism: Your creatures won't attack, but heal you. The owner is unable to target Dove.	NAME: Elite Dove ELEMENT: Light COST: 3 TYPE: Creature ATK|HP: 0 | 3 TEXT: Set free: Remove Elite Dove. Pacifism: Your creatures won't attack, but heal you. You can't target Elite Dove.

ART: Unknown - http://www.sxc.hu/ IDEA: The dictator NOTES: You will be healed for the amount of damage your creatures do. You can't target Dove, so Dove will never get that nice red spot when it's your turn. Set free will remove the Dove, and thus make an and to the pacifism. This will not trigger any death effects. One of my submissions for Another Epic 3 Card Design Challenge (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13483.0.html). My other two submissions: Atlantean Knowledge | Atlantean Heritage (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13788.0.html) Dying Star | Death Star (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13789.0.html) SERIES: No Series

Any other comments, is this card overpowered, or underpowered?

[kalkiran]

it could be useless in some situations but the obvious benefits outweigh that. im not a good judge of OP & UP mabz lower the doves atk

[the dictator]

it could be useless in some situations but the obvious benefits outweigh that. im not a good judge of OP & UP mabz lower the doves atk

Wait, are you suggesting to LOWER the attack. It is already negative 

[sneakdog]

mark of  +elite dove+quintessence+mirror shield=epic stall? maybe only make all YOUR creatures heal you and not both players their creatures?

[QuantumT]

mark of  +elite dove+quintessence+mirror shield=epic stall? maybe only make all YOUR creatures heal you and not both players their creatures?

This. With just Dove and quint you block all creatures' damage for the rest of the game. Add in mirror shield and you've completely blocked any way to do damage for your opponent. Note that even fire/thorn shield don't work because its attack is negative.

One potential way to balance it would be to make the effect temporary, probably only a single turn. Or sneakdog's method would work as well.

[the dictator]

You are missing one point.

You can make an epic stall, but that won't won you the game either

But I am thinking of an ability cost, so use 1 air to get another turn of pacifism, and a soon as you don't do so, the dove will be destroyed.

[QuantumT]

You are missing one point.

You can make an epic stall, but that won't won you the game either

But I am thinking of an ability cost, so use 1 air to get another turn of pacifism, and a soon as you don't do so, the dove will be destroyed.

But once I have an epic stall set up, I have so many ways to win the game that can't be countered.

1) I play eternity and just bounce a photon repeatedly until you deck.

2) I play fire and build up all the quanta I need for an instant kill.

3) I just wait until I have enough damage on the board for a one turn kill, and use the dove's set free ability (which makes it even more OP).

Additionally, it completely stalls out all rushes, giving you whatever time you need to set up. Sundial was way overpowered, and it only lasted for 2 turns. This lasts for as long as I want.

Adding a cost wouldn't fix it really, unless perhaps it was huge (like 5+) because it still acts as a repeatable sundial.

[the dictator]

You are missing one point.

You can make an epic stall, but that won't won you the game either

But I am thinking of an ability cost, so use 1 air to get another turn of pacifism, and a soon as you don't do so, the dove will be destroyed.

But once I have an epic stall set up, I have so many ways to win the game that can't be countered.

1) I play eternity and just bounce a photon repeatedly until you deck.

2) I play fire and build up all the quanta I need for an instant kill.

3) I just wait until I have enough damage on the board for a one turn kill, and use the dove's set free ability (which makes it even more OP).

Additionally, it completely stalls out all rushes, giving you whatever time you need to set up. Sundial was way overpowered, and it only lasted for 2 turns. This lasts for as long as I want.

Adding a cost wouldn't fix it really, unless perhaps it was huge (like 5+) because it still acts as a repeatable sundial.

Well, I will think of some ways to nerf it (a lot).

I am thinking of making it only one sided (as sneakdog suggested), or making it reduce only half of your opponents damage.

[the dictator]

How about the following:

Dove | Elite Dove can't be targeted by it's owner. That means no quint, no fractal, no BB.
And Dove | Elite Dove will only make your creature heal you.

[Kuroaitou]

CURATOR COMMENT
-Add a icon after the card's Cost in the appropriate section of the table (i.e. - it should be '4 ', instead of just '4')


The non-targeted effect is a decent fix to your Dove; I'm guessing creature abilities also can't be applied to the Dove in question, no? ^^;