'Web' ability

[omegareaper7]

Making it 100% doesn't make Wings too powerful. It only puts it back to the current meta in the shardless environment. Wings + web is rarely even used in competitive PVP. While on arena, a deck that doesn't have a way around a full block shield will suck anyway (Dim Shield says hello).

And of course, SoFr is in need of a nerf in its current state, and seeing that it's the only card affected by 100% web, I don't see how this is a bad idea.

Decks don't need a card to get around shields to do fine, they are just screwed in the event shields do pop up usually.

I agree though, give it 100% chance to remove airborne, no reason not to.

[Platformz]

Spiders/recluses spit webs out into the air. An air creature "dives" down, dodging the web. So web doesn't, and shouldn't, remove dive. 

also, web is for passives on target creature, not actives.

Sorry. I meant that if a creature does get hit by a web, it cannot fly anymore so it cannot use "dive" since it is already on the ground.

Also, even if "web" is meant for hitting passives, not being able to fly stops you from diving down from above. Same reason why Sky Blitz does not work on non-flying creatures.

[dawn to dusk]

target with <3 health will get delayed for 1 turn XD

cos why not?

yes this is a bad idea and yes i know that full well while posting this

[Platformz]

target with <3 health will get delayed for 1 turn XD

cos why not?

yes this is a bad idea and yes i know that full well while posting this

Eh. Why not? It sounds good.   

[seulintse]

Lack of flying≠Diving

That being said, I'd like to say that I think using webbed on a pegasus or a wyrm should prevent it from using dive. Also, even though its probably because they (various opponents) are using mitosis and I'm kinda indenial (I don't know if this is working like mitosis says, making it generate a copy of the creatures card, appearing just like it had been summoned from your hand with flying on it, or if players really are using PU | TU on webbed creatures and coming up with flying creautures).

[Treldon]

Lack of flying≠Diving

That being said, I'd like to say that I think using webbed on a pegasus or a wyrm should prevent it from using dive. Also, even though its probably because they (various opponents) are using mitosis and I'm kinda indenial (I don't know if this is working like mitosis says, making it generate a copy of the creatures card, appearing just like it had been summoned from your hand with flying on it, or if players really are using PU | TU on webbed creatures and coming up with flying creautures).

I have moved your post here because it can be considered a buff for Web.

That being said, I do not necessarily agree with you. I understand your logic that normally a flying creature would dive onto its target. But another creature could climb a rock, tree, etc and jump onto its target, thus having the same effect. Also, I believe Mutation can create non-flying creatures with Dive ability (need confirmation of it though)

[seulintse]

I know we're talking about elements here, but by that logic you could have a graviton mercenary climb onto a and jump off of it and use "dive" for two air quanta or something or, better yet, use 2 gravity for the same effect... it just, just... no. EDIT: 1. thx for moving the post, treldon, prolly should've looked (this thread is so old its here from the last time I played elements, like seven months ago or something) and 2. I have confirmed (A.K.A. saw it with my own eyes ;P   ) that using PU on a webbed creature still gives the copy flying.

[Espithel]

I know we're talking about elements here, but by that logic you could have a graviton mercenary climb onto a and jump off of it and use "dive" for two air quanta or something or, better yet, use 2 gravity for the same effect... it just, just... no.

I don't see your point. Jumping off of a massive dragon to dive seems plausible.

[seulintse]

birds IRL (yes, I know elements is an extremely abstract game, and I appreciate that) that dive for their prey, like eagles, tend to use their wings to glide, or at least stop themselves from dying on face-plant-contact. Point is that at least something should be done for creatures still using dive ability after not being able to fly. There's a reason that only flying creatures are affected by sky blitz.

[Treldon]

@Frozen
Completely plausible. Not necessarily a good idea, but it can be done.

Plus in my example it's nowhere as fatal a dive as from a Massive Dragon. Just an Aerial Takedown or something.

birds IRL (yes, I know elements is an extremely abstract game, and I appreciate that) that dive for their prey, like eagles, tend to use their wings to glide, or at least stop themselves from dying on face-plant-contact. Point is that at least something should be done for creatures still using dive ability after not being able to fly. There's a reason that only flying creatures are affected by sky blitz.

Hawks: they dive onto their target, grab it, then fall down (controlled fall, but still fall) with the prey to the ground, never once releasing it.


But as I said, you don't have to go to fatal heights to increase damage done. If you jump down from the first floor (being the first floor above ground level) onto someone, you can easily survive with no harm. Your target not so much...

[TeRevised]

Web buff:
"Target Creature gets -1|0 and loses Airborne state. Dive is thus disabled."
Dive text:
"Double this unit's Attack for this turn if it's Airborne".