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Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500254#msg500254
« on: May 18, 2012, 01:27:41 am »
There are 4 cards that can freeze a creature.

A few of us were chatting and we think this status should provide some benefit in the form of creature protection. personal note: :water creatures gain most benefit.
the line of thinking is Ice should be hard to break except via .
I think I have seen other people around here with this line of thinking for the concept of Ice.


If anyone agrees or disagrees, please provide your thoughts, and help provide pole options.
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500257#msg500257
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2012, 01:33:16 am »
Well the common mechanic in games is that freezing makes the target more vulnerable...
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500285#msg500285
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2012, 02:23:33 am »
Not sure what thematic buff it would be. + Defense?
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500287#msg500287
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 02:25:34 am »
Don't forget Pandemonium.

Yes, an HP boost does seem to be best when considering stronger ice, but there is a problem of it potentially overlapping with BB.

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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500292#msg500292
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 02:30:14 am »
Don't forget Pandemonium.

Yes, an HP boost does seem to be best when considering stronger ice, but there is a problem of it potentially overlapping with BB.
BB is +20. I don't think that potential is high enough to worry about overlapping.
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500293#msg500293
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 02:31:07 am »
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500307#msg500307
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 03:25:00 am »
Rather than a +to health (illogical once the ice breaks off) how about 50% damage reduction from any source (perhaps increased in water creatures). Makes frozen Cata-Armagios more interesting
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500402#msg500402
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 11:49:23 am »
I'm for damage reduction, but not in percentage, better a fixed one, like shields.
Maybe Freeze could reduce damage on creatures by 1, Congeal by 2.

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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500403#msg500403
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 11:57:24 am »
How are you going to buff Frozen status by giving the Frozen target extra Hp or even dammage reduction? Isn't that more like a nerf? Considdering that you frees mostly opponents creatures. This dammage reduction makes synnergy with other cards like Pufferfish nearly impossible, doesn't it?
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500404#msg500404
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 12:08:37 pm »
How are you going to buff Frozen status by giving the Frozen target extra Hp or even dammage reduction? Isn't that more like a nerf? Considdering that you frees mostly opponents creatures. This dammage reduction makes synnergy with other cards like Pufferfish nearly impossible, doesn't it?

Normally, you don't mess with Frozen creatures after that, but I might also say this is also a plausible balance to the typical rainbow shield, Permafrost;  blocking 30% for 3 turns is like blocking 90% of damage for 1 turn, not including its DR, and this lasts forever compared to Phase Shield.
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500406#msg500406
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 12:11:54 pm »
So you are trying to nerf permafrost? explain to me why all the other cards that freeze have to be nerfed as well. Seems to me they are balanced enough.
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Re: Buff Frozen Status https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=40358.msg500543#msg500543
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2012, 07:12:49 pm »
So you are trying to nerf permafrost? explain to me why all the other cards that freeze have to be nerfed as well. Seems to me they are balanced enough.

Because, I can say that freeze in general is imo OP.  Spamming it with no return is very powerful, hence such card being a rare, though I feel it needs another step in that direction, by adding some defensive qualities to the target affected.
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