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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg527561#msg527561
« Reply #48 on: July 31, 2012, 04:41:05 am »

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OK,Golden Nymph  reusable  precognition balanced? (6/8) ual!
I think so. Relevance?


Oldtress, reveal what?, I forgot to mention the rage of fire nymph not destroys the golden nymph.
"Relevance"
I was asking how Golden Nymph related to a discussion about Red Nymph.

would not be two cards of magnitude equivalent with renewable skills?
More valuable skill, same cost => lower stats.
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg527702#msg527702
« Reply #49 on: July 31, 2012, 07:12:13 pm »
I think that what he is trying to say is that reusable precognition is equivalent in power to reusable rage pots. So we should move to asking if they indeed are equivalent in power.

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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg527712#msg527712
« Reply #50 on: July 31, 2012, 07:53:15 pm »

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OK,Golden Nymph  reusable  precognition balanced? (6/8) ual!
I think so. Relevance?


Oldtress, reveal what?, I forgot to mention the rage of fire nymph not destroys the golden nymph.
"Relevance"
I was asking how Golden Nymph related to a discussion about Red Nymph.

would not be two cards of magnitude equivalent with renewable skills?
More valuable skill, same cost => lower stats.

both skills are good, draw an extra card per turn, is a great advantage!
depends from the deck to be mounted, this difference can be larger or smaller.
so yes we have to reveal.
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg527718#msg527718
« Reply #51 on: July 31, 2012, 08:08:30 pm »

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OK,Golden Nymph  reusable  precognition balanced? (6/8) ual!
I think so. Relevance?


Oldtress, reveal what?, I forgot to mention the rage of fire nymph not destroys the golden nymph.
"Relevance"
I was asking how Golden Nymph related to a discussion about Red Nymph.

would not be two cards of magnitude equivalent with renewable skills?
More valuable skill, same cost => lower stats.

both skills are good, draw an extra card per turn, is a great advantage!
depends from the deck to be mounted, this difference can be larger or smaller.
so yes we have to reveal.
Both skills are good. One is much better.
An extra card is useful (See hourglass) however repeatable rage is even more useful (see the weaker Snipe ability of Owl's Eye). After taking into account the detail that weapons have a lower quanta cost due to having a weapon slot cost, we can see that Snipe is about equal to drawing.
Rage > Snipe ~= Draw
Rage > Draw

PS: It is "Relevance" not "Reveal"
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg527760#msg527760
« Reply #52 on: July 31, 2012, 09:49:57 pm »

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OK,Golden Nymph  reusable  precognition balanced? (6/8) ual!
I think so. Relevance?


Oldtress, reveal what?, I forgot to mention the rage of fire nymph not destroys the golden nymph.
"Relevance"
I was asking how Golden Nymph related to a discussion about Red Nymph.

would not be two cards of magnitude equivalent with renewable skills?
More valuable skill, same cost => lower stats.

both skills are good, draw an extra card per turn, is a great advantage!
depends from the deck to be mounted, this difference can be larger or smaller.
so yes we have to reveal.
Both skills are good. One is much better.
An extra card is useful (See hourglass) however repeatable rage is even more useful (see the weaker Snipe ability of Owl's Eye). After taking into account the detail that weapons have a lower quanta cost due to having a weapon slot cost, we can see that Snipe is about equal to drawing.
Rage > Snipe ~= Draw
Rage > Draw

PS: It is "Relevance" not "Reveal"

We know that the rage against immaterial does not work, do not perform well against creatures larger than 5 of defense, draw the card works well in general
Both skills are really good. One is much better.

another, the Shard of Bravery  does not allow the buyer receive
at least 1 extra card, why would a letter to more  make much difference?

have cards that when renewable give another dimension, especially when  in  creature 6/8, an example is silence card, few use it but if renewable would end the game.
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg527798#msg527798
« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2012, 04:11:48 am »
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OK,Golden Nymph  reusable  precognition balanced? (6/8) ual!
I think so. Relevance?


Oldtress, reveal what?, I forgot to mention the rage of fire nymph not destroys the golden nymph.
"Relevance"
I was asking how Golden Nymph related to a discussion about Red Nymph.

would not be two cards of magnitude equivalent with renewable skills?
More valuable skill, same cost => lower stats.

both skills are good, draw an extra card per turn, is a great advantage!
depends from the deck to be mounted, this difference can be larger or smaller.
so yes we have to reveal.
Both skills are good. One is much better.
An extra card is useful (See hourglass) however repeatable rage is even more useful (see the weaker Snipe ability of Owl's Eye). After taking into account the detail that weapons have a lower quanta cost due to having a weapon slot cost, we can see that Snipe is about equal to drawing.
Rage > Snipe ~= Draw
Rage > Draw

PS: It is "Relevance" not "Reveal"

We know that the rage against immaterial does not work, do not perform well against creatures larger than 5 of defense, draw the card works well in general
Both skills are really good. One is much better.

another, the Shard of Bravery  does not allow the buyer receive
at least 1 extra card, why would a letter to more  make much difference?

have cards that when renewable give another dimension, especially when  in  creature 6/8, an example is silence card, few use it but if renewable would end the game.
Shard of Bravery is really off topic for this thread. Please stay on topic.

Rage (as a skill) is very good against creatures with more than 5 hp because it is one of the few CC that can efficiently kill those creatures. Rage is effectively "kill all material creatures".
« Last Edit: August 01, 2012, 04:14:03 am by OldTrees »
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg527800#msg527800
« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2012, 04:14:55 am »
If golden nymph needs to be nerfed, make a thread on that. If some other nymph needs a nerf it does not mean red nymph needs a buff.

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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg528054#msg528054
« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2012, 10:30:32 pm »
I voted for "No buff" because of the following reasons:

- The stats are fine, the nymph either has mid-range health + low attack (1/6) or midrange attack and low health (6/1). The low HP feels much like fire.
Because of a good ability, the atk needn´t be higher.Because of the general fire weakness (low health), the health needn´t be higher.
Good, that it can´t buff other fire creatures except golem with earth.

-  The nymph HAS synergy with fire - with all  CC spells of fire. The synergy is, that you often needn´t kill a creature with the nymph in 2 steps, and that your deck can get more CC - heavy. It also has a small synergy with Deflag: this way fire can cover all relevant forms of control as reusable as possible.
- Often using other creatures with CC, I often hated my opponent having this nymph, so she earned my respect.
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg529380#msg529380
« Reply #56 on: August 05, 2012, 09:31:12 pm »
Dude, this card is card advantage on a stick, with a decent backside, and it has plenty of syngery with other fire creatures- namely, it helps them win the game.
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg539206#msg539206
« Reply #57 on: September 05, 2012, 04:44:42 am »
Although I would never use this card due to my tastes I feel that it should get some remodeling. It should either have a lower activation cost for its ability or a lowered entry cost. Unlike all other nymphs it has very little synergy with its element. If its ability had slightly lower quanta cost then it could offer interesting monster control but considering how fast paced the fire element is at the current energy cost it is simply weak. Also it deals very little damage even if it enrages itself (which puts it at risk), it only deals a damage average for nymphs (entropy makes up for itself with its tasty ability). Another viable option is to lower it's entrance cost if one looks at pheonix we can clearly see a huge difference in potency, I would say 5  :fire quanta would be a fair amount.
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg539216#msg539216
« Reply #58 on: September 05, 2012, 05:19:10 am »
Rage in Fire is mostly a CC ability. This is a 6hp creature that can one shot most creatures. It is hard to out rush efficient attackers (fire) through great CC (fire).
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Re: Fire Nymph https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=13349.msg539244#msg539244
« Reply #59 on: September 05, 2012, 11:00:27 am »
I think they should add +5hp
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