[Official] Nightfall | Eclipse

[OldTrees]

@cometbah
All cards that don't stack have the unstackability factored into their costs. (Shields are the same as Weapons)
If an unstackable cards were made stackable then the cost would change.

Absorb  per turn would be possible if scaled correctly.
Drain all  would have little real impact.
Ex 1 has no significant coding problems but does not balance 2 Nightfalls relative to 3 Nightfalls.
Ex 2 could work but would require playtesting since it would only have the effect of limiting deep night to tough creatures.

[Captain Scibra]

OT beat me to the drain, which I'd really like.  To counter abuse with pestal, absorb should be 2  .

[Raptor6789]

Sort of moving away from the current discussion, but..
As an alternate buff, why not maintain nightfall/eclipse's unstackability but instead also have it debuff all light/life creatures on the field by a certain amount?

[Cheesy111]

Sort of moving away from the current discussion, but..
As an alternate buff, why not maintain nightfall/eclipse's unstackability but instead also have it debuff all light/life creatures on the field by a certain amount?

Elemental hate is bad design.  It makes cards either OP or useless.

[Elbirn]

I don't particularly like that idea, but having a darkness card that screws over  would be an interesting counter to Holy Light. Course I'd still rather see the latter removed instead, and I'm now moving too off topic I think. Apologies.

[BaitaLon]

Are you crazy? If Nightfall was stackable it would be waaay to overpowered

[Chapuz]

80% of PVP1 decks are mono darkness, don't make it even worse.

Maybe the permanents can be stacked, but not the effects.

[OldTrees]

80% of PVP1 decks are mono darkness, don't make it even worse.

Maybe the permanents can be stacked, but not the effects.

For the last time. If someone that thinks a card is balanced suggested it stack, you ought to know they implied a cost increase or some other rebalancing tool.

[Eddygp]

I was going to create a "Buff this card" topic about Nightfall, as I was surprised it couldn't stack. I have found it quite annoying and I think it should be modified too.
Maybe, the ability to stack would not need any further increase in price or quantum cost (3 darkness is way too expensive if it doesn't stack, and it's OK if it does). There are many other cards with lower quantum cost and much more effective, and I don't understand why this one shouldn't get a minor or medium buff.

Eddygp.

[Marsu]

Nightfall is totally fine, Eclipse is even better.

I actually especially like the mechanic, as it increases the amount of different cards in one deck.

[ARTHANASIOS]

Yeah guys, we must ABSOLUTELY buff Nightfall/Eclipse! Darkness is such a weak element! Poor monodarkness is such a weak deck! And when combined with duos like Devtosis & Pestal or Vader Saders is even worse!

Then, let's go buff that poor Discord!

Spoiler for Sarcasm?:

Yes! A lot of it. But this topic demands it. Pardon me, but Nightfall/Eclipse shouldn't stack for any reason and I honestly find totally alien the fact a few of ETG veterans say otherwise. Shields don't stack and that's fine, Weapons don't stack unless flown, Flooding doesn't stack, some effects just musn't stack...

[OldTrees]

Yeah guys, we must ABSOLUTELY buff Nightfall/Eclipse! Darkness is such a weak element! Poor monodarkness is such a weak deck! And when combined with duos like Devtosis & Pestal or Vader Saders is even worse!

Then, let's go buff that poor Discord!

Spoiler for Sarcasm?:

Yes! A lot of it. But this topic demands it. Pardon me, but Nightfall/Eclipse shouldn't stack for any reason and I honestly find totally alien the fact a few of ETG veterans say otherwise. Shields don't stack and that's fine, Weapons don't stack unless flown, Flooding doesn't stack, some effects just musn't stack...

Sarcasm at a strawman isn't as effective is it?

So your argument is that it shouldn't stack because because it shouldn't stack.
Pardon me but when cards can be included in deck in quantities of 1-6 it is better design to be able to use cards in quantities 1-6. Flooding and Nightfall are similar and both should be redesigned to the better stackable design. This would come with the companion nerf in order to maintain the balance of the cards.