[Official] Colossal Dragon | Massive Dragon

[jmdt]

Hopefully, the limit is 30.

^This. I fear that Animated Titans will be far more effective than Massive Dragon. Either that, or it should target creature with no ability, so that both Armagio and Titan (who has momentum) cannot be targeted.

If the limit is 30, it will take 7 30 hp critters to perform a kill assuming hp/2.  Gravity upped has 12 of these, armargio and dragon.

I see an earth/gravity duo with PA, earthquake, catapult, pulvy, armaggio and dragon (maybe an oty or 2 depending how the deck shakes out).  This could make a pretty potent deck and could be just the card to make this dragon usable.  Seeing how its still secondary foddor to an armaggio, 8 attack may still be warranted, but who knows.

[wizelsnarf]

I agree jmdt.

People are going to be using armagio for catapult, not the dragon because it will be so much cheaper.

That means catapult is not going to solve the Dragon's low stats. I think 9/50 is a totally reasonable boost.  Lets say catapult cost 4 to play and 1 to use. That means you would have to spend 17 to catapult the Colossal Dragon versus 10 for an Armagio. So not worth it. Lets just increase the stats and make Gravity dragons useful.

[Kurohami]

This card is not underpowered at all. To say the least it's as good as any other dragon, its attack is not so far behind and its hp is just plain too much, it's as good as invulnerable from most creature controls. Also, if desperate, you can also gravity pull it, it's quite a good card I would say.

[guolin]

Hopefully, the limit is 30.

^This. I fear that Animated Titans will be far more effective than Massive Dragon. Either that, or it should target creature with no ability, so that both Armagio and Titan (who has momentum) cannot be targeted.

If the limit is 30, it will take 7 30 hp critters to perform a kill assuming hp/2.  Gravity upped has 12 of these, armargio and dragon.

I see an earth/gravity duo with PA, earthquake, catapult, pulvy, armaggio and dragon (maybe an oty or 2 depending how the deck shakes out).  This could make a pretty potent deck and could be just the card to make this dragon usable.  Seeing how its still secondary foddor to an armaggio, 8 attack may still be warranted, but who knows.

The only way I can see Massive Dragon used over Armagio is if Catapult could only target creatures without abilities. That would be much nicer.

[Terroking]

Hopefully, the limit is 30.

^This. I fear that Animated Titans will be far more effective than Massive Dragon. Either that, or it should target creature with no ability, so that both Armagio and Titan (who has momentum) cannot be targeted.

If the limit is 30, it will take 7 30 hp critters to perform a kill assuming hp/2.  Gravity upped has 12 of these, armargio and dragon.

I see an earth/gravity duo with PA, earthquake, catapult, pulvy, armaggio and dragon (maybe an oty or 2 depending how the deck shakes out).  This could make a pretty potent deck and could be just the card to make this dragon usable.  Seeing how its still secondary foddor to an armaggio, 8 attack may still be warranted, but who knows.

The only way I can see Massive Dragon used over Armagio is if Catapult could only target creatures without abilities. That would be much nicer.

Actually, I would prefer Massive Dragons over Armagios for Catapult fodder, as they can actually deal some decent damage and then just be Catapulted for the kill shot. Armagios have no such option, as if you use them to soak up damage (Their only non-Catapult asset, unless for some reason you want to count 2 attack...) their ability to be used with Catapult decreases greatly. Besides, 6*15=90, which won't even kill the opponent. That's considering all 6 as well.

Of course, you could just make catapult deal non-halved damage, and make Colossal 9/20. (Limit would be changed to 20). Like I said in the OP, 20 hp really isn't that different from 30. Not only would that make Armagios unusable for Catapult, but it would also mean they deal more damage; with and without Catapulting them.

[Dragoon1140]

Of course, you could just make catapult deal non-halved damage...

That is the plan, according to Zanz in chat a few days ago. He is just deciding on the limit at this point, but the upgraded will have a higher limit, most likely.

[xxxdeathxxx]

it should be 9/15 for 10 and 11/30 for 11
or 8/15 with momentum for 11 and 10/30 with momentum for 12

[EvaRia]

This would be a perfect fix 

NAME: Acceleration ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 3 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: ABILITY: Target Creature loses current active ability but  instead gains +1/-1 per turn. Momentum.	NAME: Overdrive ELEMENT: Gravity COST: 5 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: ABILITY: Target Creature loses current active ability but instead gains +2/-1 per turn. Momentum.

ART: http://www.sxc.hu/photo/730968 Photo by asifthebes IDEA: EvaRia NOTES: Does not stack. Active abilities are any abilities that require you to click the creature to activate it, other abilities are unaffected. If the creature is delayed, then no stat change happens for the duration of the delay. If the creature is frozen, then effect continues as normal. If the creature is adrenalined, then it's stats will change each attack instead of each turn. If the creature is lobotomized, it will lose the effect of this card. SERIES:

Link to Topic- http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10924.0.html

[Daytripper]

I think it should just be +2 attack and + 1 defence, or just + 3 attack, that is counting from the unupped dragon.

Momentum is a good idea, but not for a buff. Then make it 12 cost for unupped + momentum. Upgraded is same stats, + momentum and minus cost. (2 quant?)

[bored_ninja777]

u play this with chimera u get lot of stats out of it.. not that playing huge dragons would really be good deck strategy for chimera. the FG Gemini uses it pretty effectively.. momentum + TU.. about 8 times.. and game over
I know no player does this but the only change i think would be just balance out the stats
instead of 8/30 change it to  9/15. it still has enough hp to withstand most things. maybe do 9/20? idk..

[TheonlyrealBeef]

I do think this dragon needs a buff, but 9/50 is a bit too much I think, Think of it as a Basalt Dragon sacrificing 1 attack for 38 hp? That's beyond insane (possible implying basalt dragon just needs a buff as well). Momentum doesn't sound too bad, and maybe change it to 9/20, by the time you get to play it, it won't make a huge difference from Chargers anyway, which are hard enough to deal with.

[Sigh]

Besides, I would STILL go for the Charger/Armagio combo. The only difference is 15 hp, and if your Chimera is dead because of a measly 15, well, good luck!