[Official] Armagio | Elite Armagio

[Captain Scibra]

Just a passing discussion in chat, but how several speculations about Armagio make it really clunky.  First is the 1 ATK, when it is quite useless when the card is mostly for HP-based strategies anyways.  Second, we can change the cost of the ability, such that it does not interfere with the card's many other non-GP synergies, but at the same time making it cost just as much to do it as it would now (excluding the change in attack).  This would still rate second to Voodoo in cost for HP, but Gravity being the best at making use of the HP, can take the hit of it being more expensive as a mono synergy.  Any thoughts?

[Pineapple]

Sorry, what exactly is the buff you suggest? I got the increase in ATK (which I don't agree with)...is the second thing a decrease in cost? From 1 to 0?

[CuCN]

The card image is the proposed change.
For unupgraded armagio, that is -1 atk, -2 cost, +1 ability cost.
For upgraded, that is -2 atk, -2 cost.

[Absol]

I was involved in the discussion in chat earlier, and yes i agree with this.

[Focuscoene]

Honestly, I think the dropped cost, plus the added ability cost, is plenty—no need to reduce the 1 damage.

[dragtom]

cheap catapult-fuel?
I do feel like armagio is a little costy for the effect, though.
But this is over-buffed.

[choongmyoung]

You mentioned "HP based strategies", I'll explain some more.
Why is Armagio so costly compare to Heal? It's because
- You can attack with Catapult or Overdrive.
- BB = 2|1 for 20 heal.
The second one is quite important. However, if you use BB on it, it completely losses its attack.
Same with catapult. When you fling it, it losses its attack.
So Armagio's attack is useless unless you Overdrive it.

I minimally suggest that -1 cost -1 atk for Elite Armagio.

[AvusXIV]

It feels strange to see this massive unit having no atk at all 

The way I'd change it: Leave the whole card as it is but lower it's unupped and upped costs by 1 . Done.

[jazzfan27]

I think what the card really needs is a mass buff card like Nightfall for  .

I guess SoP can do the trick.

I've not used the card a lot myself, but, it does seem fairly balanced to me.  I would think it compares well to Heal most of the time if you net out the life.

[whatifidogetcaught?]

As it is right now, 5 is too much. If you are using a Catapult combo, it already costs a good amount to use the Catapult and pull it out. I agree with -1 atk and -1 cost, just because I picture the Armagio as an unmoving unit that just sits there and takes hits.

[OldTrees]

I think it is bad design to have a card that needs additional cards to be viable.
I think it is suboptimal design to have a card that needs to use its activated ability or else provide no benefit at all.
Thus I think that it would be suboptimal to have a 0 attack armagio. However I do see the argument that the attack is less valuable than normal.

[Hyroen]

I think part of the issue about Armagio is that it invests a significant amount of resources for a defensive purpose too easily circumvented. Considering that Armagio must first be played for 5 , wait one turn and then use a further 1 in order to use its skill for a limited, proactive 25maxHP increase, one could argue that despite the card advantage and the fact that Armagio is proactive, the use of 2 Heals has more benefits due to the fact that it counters all reductions of HP, not just physical creature sources.

Armagio by itself is clearly a defensive tool in Gravity's arsenal but when used Catapult, another Gravity card, it is one of the element's best offenses. That said, we must also consider that Gravity as an element does not have cheap cards. Decreasing the cost could better balance it, however it might not be the most suitable fix for a Gravity card.

I think increasing the HP of Armagio by 5 and increasing the ATK of Elite Armagio to 3 might make for a more suitable fix. Armagio becomes more of a defensive and offensive threat while Elite Armagio becomes an attacker worth its price, and with adren, one which will make you think twice before sacrificing it.