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Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182660#msg1182660
« on: March 18, 2015, 07:24:10 am »
Time's up!

Standardized voting will use this table:

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[td]Boss & DB[/td][td]***[/td][td]***[/td]
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[td]Artist[/td][td]***[/td][td]***[/td]
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[td]CD[/td][td]***[/td][td]***[/td]
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[td]FE & OT[/td][td]***[/td][td]***[/td]
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[td]Writer[/td][td]***[/td][td]***[/td]
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[td]Bonus[/td][td]***[/td][td]***[/td]
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[td]Challenge[/td][td]***[/td][td] n/a [/td]
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DO NOT FORGET TO OFFER A PROPER EXPLANATION FOR YOUR VOTING DECISIONS!





Spoiler for BOSS & DECKBUILDER:
Forum Brawl Challenges the Masters!
Build a deck based upon the catchy phrase of your Boss...

 dawn to dusk Lives up to the hype!
or
 ddevans96 Washes away the competition!
or
 Fippe94 Knocks 'em dead!
or
 Captain Scibra Brings the hammer down!
or
 Vangelios Brings the heat!



Spoiler for Meaning of Life:
dawn to dusk live up to the hype!
Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
Deck import code : [Select]
7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ac 7ai 7ai 7ai 7an 7an 7an 7an 7ao 7ao 7ao 7ao 7ao 7bu 7bu 7bu 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7t8 7t8 7t8 8pt


Explanation of Cards:
    • dawn is represented by Sundials which is a device that gives the time of day by the position of the sun.  A sundial becomes useful at dawn.
    • dusk is represented by Improved Dusk with dusk being the time of day the sun goes down (end of useful times for a sundial).
    • lives is represented by the majority of the deck being life cards and the inclusion of Improved Heal.
    • hype is represented by the Epinephrine which accelerates the activity (attack) of the deck's creatures (Scorpions) to hyper activity (to hype the scorpions).

    Strategy:

    Play the Epi-Scorpion combo asap to damage, and more importantly, inflict poison. The Duck will keep opponent at bay; its 50% rate effectively turns the +20 HP Heal into +40 HP. The Sundials should be played as late as safely possible as they also prevent Scorpions from attacking. In late game the built up poison on opponent will provide enough damage during stasis turns.

    Note: this deck is fully functional and competitive up to at least AI3 competition.


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    Spoiler for Frostbite Borealis:
    Relentless Tides
    Frostbite Borealis

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    Deck import code : [Select]
    7ap 7ap 7ap 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gk 7gq 7gq 7gr 7gr 7gr 7gr 7gr 7h0 7h0 7h1 7h1 7h1 7hi 7hi 7hi 7i6 7i6 8pn


    Spoiler for Ragnarok:
           TITANic

          "Fippe94 Knocks 'em dead!"

    Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
    Deck import code : [Select]
    http://dek.im/cache/z574cz374hzA75mz37grz47n28pp.png


    They can be knocked dead with a massive flying frozen 50hp piledriver!

    This hybrid deck, depending on the matchup, can be either used as a Knock em OTK dead or
    keep bludgeoning em, freeze em and let the Trebuchet finish the job.

    Deck Breakdown

    What we need to know is that the damage formula for the Trebuchet ( same as the Catapult) is

    This means that a healthy 50 hp flying titan will deal ,after rounding all fractions up, 34 damage. However if we freeze our Titan  this damage will be increased by an additional 50% for a total of 50 damage, which is massive.

    So what we have to do is let our Arctic Octopuses swim around the field and freeze enemy creatures while we have our -build in momentum- Titans knock the life points out of the opponent. Place down 1-2 trebuchet, do the math, freeze the titans and knock em dead!


    Spoiler for Red Stars:
    Vangelios Brings the heat!
    Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
    Deck import code : [Select]
    7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dg 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dk 7dm 7dm 7dn 7dn 7dn 7dp 7dp 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 7ds 7du 7f2 7f2 7f2 7f2 7f2 7n2 7n2 8po


    On a first sight, this deck looks like your standard fire rush and it is obviously an effective deck, but this represents both our team while being a shout out to different masters of fire.

    First we have phoenix, a card that has always been connected with napalm~, Farenheit that is glennfoo's favourite fire card and Seraph, that is Vang's favourite.

    The creatures in this deck are Seraph, representing our team leader, while the minor phoenixes represent the remaining 6 members of the team, that are unfazed at having to work even while being cremated. The deck gets stronger the more heat fire quanta you gather, with the fire lances and farenheits and the cremations that certainly help too.


    Spoiler for Gravy Train Co.:
    Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
    Deck import code : [Select]
    55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55s 55s 55s 55s 55s 55t 55t 562 562 562 562 562 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5on 5on 8pr

    Quote: Captain Scibra brings the hammer down!

    Deck Concept: AccelaTitans. Shockwave for control, and Gravity Pull for damage reduction.

    Explanations
    Titan: It's a hammer. Shaddup.
    Acceleration: When you bring a hammer down, it goes faster and faster. It accelerates.
    Shockwave: Hammers make shockwaves when they hit things.
    Gravity Pull: The hammer distorts gravity because of it's extreme force.




    Spoiler for ARTIST:
    Pen & Paper...
    Create an original piece of elements art using only pen.


    Spoiler for Meaning of Life:

    (Click to enlarge)


    Spoiler for Frostbite Borealis:
    Behold! Blue Crawler!



    The limited color palette and distinct lines really gave me a chance to play with shades and movement. I, for one, am proud of this image.

    May the best drawing win.


    Spoiler for Ragnarok:
    AntLion



    Spoiler for Red Stars:


    Schrodinger's Cat (click for full resolution)


    Spoiler for Gravy Train Co.:
    Graviton Mercenary





    Spoiler for CARD DESIGNER:
    It just died!
    Create a balanced card with 0 HP.


    Spoiler for Meaning of Life:
    Ghost of the Present | Ghost of the Present


    "This creature cannot die" is passive, meaning the only way to remove GotPr from the field is to rewind it, or mutate it and then kill it. Example: If it has 3hp and it gets hit by lightning, it will have -2hp and attack you on your next turn if you don't buff it at least 3hp.
    "It will attack you if its health is lower than 1" is a passive active - ie it can be lobotomised. If lobotomised, GotPr can have health as low at it can go (-500, I think), and it will not die, and will attack your opponent.

    This card has obvious synergy with any buffing card, and lobotomiser and mind flayer. Its low cost is offset by the fact that it requires a buff as soon as you play it and that it will result in a larger health difference if its health goes below 0 (and is not lobotomised). (If it's killed, you're dealing 4|6 less damage to the opponent. If it's attacking you, you're dealing less damage as well as being attacked.)


    Spoiler for Frostbite Borealis:


    Note: Temporal Golem attacks every other turn like this (numbers are turn numbers)

    1: Golem is sent out, attacks and dies
    2: Golem reappears but doesn't attack or die
    3: Golem attacks and dies

    Et cetera.

    Also, Temporal Golem keeps all buffs/debuffs (so an AM'd Golem will continue to heal instead of coming back with positive attack).


    Spoiler for Ragnarok:
    NAME:
    Leech
    ELEMENT:
    Death
    COST:
    3 :death
    TYPE:
    Creature
    ATK|HP:
    4 | 0
    TEXT:
    You may Host a creature when Leech enters play. Leech cannot die if its Host is in play.
    NAME:
    Leech
    ELEMENT:
    Death
    COST:
    2 :death
    TYPE:
    Creature
    ATK|HP:
    5 | 0
    TEXT:
    You may Host a creature when Leech enters play. Leech cannot die if its Host is in play.

    IDEA:
    Frozengaia
    NOTES:
    RT and the like still work.
    SERIES:
    Frozengaia's Forum Brawl


    Spoiler for Red Stars:
    Poltergeist | Poltergeist
    "It just died!". Nope, it's a ghost; it's already dead. When I think of ghosts and hauntings, I think about books being moved around in a bookcase. Of course, there are no books or bookcases in Elements, but there is quanta. So rather than moving your literature around, this specter takes some quanta from one element and puts it in another element.

    As for technical bits, this card is a little different from Discord in it's operation. The Poltergeist takes up to 3 quanta from one (and only one) pool that your opponent has at least one quanta in, and converts it all into a different element. For example, if you have 6 :fire, the Poltergeist may take 3 :fire and convert in into 3 :air or 3 :death. The element that the quanta is chosen from is random between any element with at least 1 quantum, and the element it becomes is any different element. The ability is active and triggers per turn. The ability will activate whether the attack is successful or not.


    Spoiler for Gravy Train Co.:
    NAME:
    Domino
    ELEMENT:
    Gravity
    COST:
    1 :gravity
    TYPE:
    Creature
    ATK|HP:
    2 | 0
    TEXT:
    When Domino dies, summon another Domino. Each turn 1 :gravity is generated for each creature with HP>4.
    NAME:
    Domino
    ELEMENT:
    Gravity
    COST:
    1 other
    TYPE:
    Creature
    ATK|HP:
    2 | 0
    TEXT:
    When Domino dies, summon another Domino. Each turn 1 :gravity is generated for each creature with HP>4.





    Spoiler for FORUM EXPERT & OFF TOPICKER:
    Have fun!
    Compile a list of the top 5 funniest forum posts of all time.


    Spoiler for Meaning of Life:
    Nelly: Hello and welcome to the Elements Award Show, where we will be counting down the TOP FIVE FUNNIEST POSTS ON THE FORUM! Firstly -

    Sko: Uh, Nelly? This isn't your task.

    Nelly: Shush, Sko! Ahem - firstly, I would like to thank all of the members for creating such glorious posts. It was incredibly hard to chose just five. But we did it!

    Treldon: Uh -

    Nelly: So now, without further ado... Number Five:

    Spoiler for #5 equal:
    ^ I think you mean:

    Spoiler for a very bad editing job:


    and

    ^we think you mean
    Spoiler for Hidden:

    Nelly: Hahaha, classic.

    Treldon: One of them's your own post!

    Sko: And it's not funny!

    Nelly: Moving on... Number 3:

    Spoiler for #3:
    gogo sparkly vamps!

    (Glorious art by vrt)

    Nelly: Isn't it great? Well-

    Sko: Stop it! We want to do the task, eh Treldon?

    Treldon: Hmm? Oh, yes! It is nice art though.

    Sko: And now...

    Treldon: Number 2!

    Nelly: Hey! I was going t-

    Spoiler for #2:
    I'm not racist but...



    Fire card because Annele is so HAWT!

    Sorry Annele, I tried to stop myself but the urge was too great  :-\

    Nelly: That is so not funny, guys. I'm the presenter!

    Treldon: It's our task!

    Nelly: So? And now, before I get interrupted, number 1, the one that started it all...

    *Drumroll*

    Spoiler for #1:
    Turns out Annele saved the chat history of that magical time that would turn into the longest running "joke" in the community. Three years ago...this happened...

    Spoiler for Hidden:
    [2012-05-06 17:37:52] skotadi phobos: well chat, I find myself in need of a coffin and an IV drip, I'll see you tomorrow if I can drag myself out of bed
    [2012-05-06 17:38:02] Gemini: *Builds pillow fort and hides in it.*
    [2012-05-06 17:38:12] Annele: ‹@skotadi phobos› u vampire?
    [2012-05-06 17:38:32] skotadi phobos: ‹@Gemini› can I have one, coffins aren't very comfortable
    [2012-05-06 17:38:47] skotadi phobos: ‹@Annele› no, something from a book I read
    [2012-05-06 17:39:58] skotadi phobos: ‹@Annele› and I don't turn into some stupid disco ball in sunlight
    [2012-05-06 17:40:16] Onizuka: He turns into THE stupid disco ball.
    [2012-05-06 17:40:42] Onizuka: That's right, skotadi is Edward Cullen.
    [2012-05-06 17:41:01] skotadi phobos: ‹@Onizuka› take it back or death
    [2012-05-06 17:41:21] Onizuka: ‹@skotadi phobos› You can't deny the truth.
    [2012-05-06 17:41:39] skotadi phobos: ‹@Onizuka› watch me
    [2012-05-06 17:41:53] Onizuka: well you can, but it doesn't change the truth
    [2012-05-06 17:42:03] skotadi phobos: I am not dating my lunch
    [2012-05-06 17:42:10] skotadi phobos: and I sleep
    [2012-05-06 17:42:38] justaburd: interesting date for it to require IV
    [2012-05-06 17:44:49] Annele: ‹@skotadi phobos› if u say so...
    [2012-05-06 17:44:52] skotadi phobos: and I'm not into drinking animals
    [2012-05-06 17:45:15] skotadi phobos: I'm never going to live this down, am I?
    [2012-05-06 17:45:26] Onizuka: Nope, Edward
    [2012-05-06 17:45:32] Annele: ‹@skotadi phobos› nup
    [2012-05-06 17:45:52] Annele: skotadi phobos = Edward Cullen
    [2012-05-06 17:45:53] skotadi phobos: damn you oni
    [2012-05-06 17:45:56] justaburd: ‹@skotadi phobos› plant sap then?
    [2012-05-06 17:46:12] skotadi phobos: I think I need a hug now...
    [2012-05-06 17:46:29] justaburd: *hugs*?
    [2012-05-06 17:46:43] Annele: ‹@justaburd› get 1 from ur wife, Bella
    [2012-05-06 17:47:56] skotadi phobos: ‹@Annele› there is no bella
     [2012-05-06 17:48:29] justaburd: ‹@Annele› I don't have a wife named bella
    [2012-05-06 17:48:35] skotadi phobos: ‹@justaburd› so that means you Edward!!!!
    [2012-05-06 17:48:45] skotadi phobos: you're*
    [2012-05-06 17:49:13] skotadi phobos: ‹@Gemini› have fun, I'm going to continue to be mocked
    [2012-05-06 17:50:01] skotadi phobos: night chat
    [2012-05-06 17:55:19] skotadi phobos: ‹@Onizuka› I'm denying your illusion
    [2012-05-06 17:55:42] Onizuka: You keep telling yourself that. Denial is the first of 5 stages.
    [2012-05-06 17:56:26] Annele: ‹@skotadi phobos› ur just denying because 1/2 the wrld hates Twilight
    [2012-05-06 17:56:28] skotadi phobos: ‹@Onizuka› oh well that sounds fun
    [2012-05-06 17:56:39] skotadi phobos: ‹@Annele› only half?
    [2012-05-06 17:56:58] skotadi phobos: I would have thought it was more
    [2012-05-06 17:58:03] skotadi phobos: so if I was said vampire, that would mean that I'm famous and that I have lots of money
    [2012-05-06 17:58:35] Onizuka: ‹@skotadi phobos› Or Dracula.
    [2012-05-06 17:58:40] Onizuka: But you're Edward Cullen.
    [2012-05-06 17:58:53] skotadi phobos: this just keeps getting worse and worse
    [2012-05-06 17:59:01] skotadi phobos: I hate famous people
    [2012-05-06 17:59:38] skotadi phobos: ‹@Onizuka› can I be dracula, at least he kills people
    [2012-05-06 17:59:49] Onizuka: ‹@skotadi phobos› Nope, Cullen.
    [2012-05-06 17:59:57] justaburd: lol
    [2012-05-06 18:00:18] justaburd: sko, I'll hug you if you need one. XD
    [2012-05-06 18:00:23] skotadi phobos: ‹@Onizuka› but I don't want to kill animals, people are more fun
    [2012-05-06 18:00:40] skotadi phobos: ‹@justaburd› oh please do, that way I can bite your neck
    [2012-05-06 18:00:47] skotadi phobos: if I was a vampire
    [2012-05-06 18:00:52] skotadi phobos: because I'm not
    [2012-05-06 18:01:03] skotadi phobos: and have no fangs to bite your neck with
    [2012-05-06 18:01:19] skotadi phobos: *looks from side to side*
    [2012-05-06 18:02:01] skotadi phobos: zanzarino
    [2012-05-06 18:02:02] Onizuka: Scrape and lick
    [2012-05-06 18:02:05] Onizuka: scrape and lick
    [2012-05-06 18:02:32] skotadi phobos: ‹@Onizuka› what on earth is that suppose to mean?
    [2012-05-06 18:02:48] Laxadarap: ‹@Onizuka› I thought they sucked?
    [2012-05-06 18:05:05] skotadi phobos: try number three
    [2012-05-06 18:05:07] skotadi phobos: night chat
    [2012-05-06 18:05:19] justaburd: night
     
    And then like a cockroach it refused to die.

    Sko: I give up.






    Spoiler for Red Stars:
    A great number of humorous posts and in-jokes have been read and chortled at by the elements community over the years.  But a few great punsters and pranksters rose above the rest.  We will now present the 5 most hilarious posts in the history of the Elements Community.

    #5
    Flight of the Dragon?

    April Fools' Day has long been a favorite day of pranksters everywhere, whether it be Burger King's left handed Whopper or the reported demise of Hello Kitty.  For one Elements Community member, however, it was the perfect time for a fake farewell!  Dragonsdemesne is one of the most successful players the community has ever had, and his Hitchhikers'-themed farewell was quite the surprise to anyone who saw it from Potato.  The final link was a classic internet punchline immediately revealing that dragons was in fact here to stay.

    #4
    Post by Numbers

    In order to apply for staff positions or Masterships, it was required that members have 200 posts, but the quality of the posts was completely ignored.  Forumer Jen-i decided to take this to its logical extreme, starting a thread called Jen and friends count to 200, in which each post contained nothing but a single number.  The thread got derailed several times, but was a hilarious meta-commentary

    #3
    The secret of the Dojo

    It's long known that all the masters have access to a secret "Master's Dojo", but no one knows what truly goes on in there.  On successfully reclaiming his title as Master of Time, SpikeSpiegel posted a screencap, possibly photoshopped, showing the thread titles in the Master's Dojo.  The combination of subverting expectations and amusing player-thread combiations make this post a true chuckle-inducer.

    #2
    Dilgo Wars

    Legendary event designer RootRanger has had a number of amazing ideas over the years, both for forum games and for PVP Events.  One idea, however, was never meant in full seriousness.  The initial rules of Dilgo Wars sound completely believable, until a single line stating that players must spam the host with PMs to win duels.  Even with this bizarre rule, many readers were still unsure whether this idea was a brilliant event or a brilliant joke.

    #1
    Peace

    The greatest post of humor on the Elements Community forums comes from a parody of the most beloved of Events.  Just as War itself is the biggest of forum events, the parody of it titled Peace stands high and mighty above the rest.  Read the rules of this hilarious fake-event proposed by Jen-i and just try not to crack a grin.


    Spoiler for Gravy Train Co.:
    Just in case Efreet didn't send...
    WPSIC Part 2 Need I say more? Funniest moments of chat, all in one thread.
    The Secret Do you know the Secret???
    Spoiler for The Secret:
    It's a 99 dmg almost OTK
    Blessed Boner Cock Balls All the sexual innuendos.
    Master's Dojo, The Untold Truth So this is what they do all day...
    All the Stereotypes So I think I'm a type D...




    Spoiler for WRITER:
    What if Zanz is one of us?
    Write a short story about where zanzarino may be.


    Spoiler for Meaning of Life:
    - Dad, tell us that flyingcat story again!

    - Nah, instead, I'll tell you the story about Zanzarino

    - Zanz-what? What is that?

    - It is a legend that has been passed down from generation to generation through the ages.

    There once was a man called Zanzarino. It is said that he was as strong as a ruby dragon, and as quick as a frog on adrenaline. Everybody was jealous of Zanzarino, so they tried to understand where his power came from. They spied on Zanzarino; they stalked him. Some people even locked themselves in his basement, trying to get more information on what Zanzarino did to be so awesome. One day, somebody went too far...

    His name was Antagon. Antagon was known in the kingdom as the best swordsman. He destroyed Zanzarino's front door, and threatened to kill him if he did not tell him his secrets. Zanzarino, in all his kindness and wisdom, told Antagon: "If you can solve the following riddle, I will tell you how to be as strong as a dragon!" Antagon then answered: "I don't care about no riddles!"  He tried to hit Zanzarino with his sword.

    However, Zanzarino saw it coming and avoided the attack. This made Antagon fall and hit his head on the floor and became unconscious. Zanzarino took the opportunity to leave. It is said that he went a hundred miles north from his house, and then found the closest mountain where he met with ScaredGirl. He said: "You shall tell my story. You shall make sure that the people remember me. In many years from now, I will be back, but for now, I need to disappear. "

    And with that, he left to the west for thousands and thousands of miles. He swam through the Pacific ocean, took a private Japanese jet, went north east for exactly Pi days, then jumped off a parachute and found a cave. Still today he lives in this same cave, waiting. Waiting for the world to become less greedy - less immature - but one day he will be back. I can sense it. I can feel it. And on that day, our world will be in peace. There will be no poverty and American people will stop being so fat. Zanzarino, our lord and savior, will save us all from any problems, if we can just learn to accept him for what he his, and not want to take his powers away from him out of greediness.

    ScaredGirl was your great great great great great great great great great great grandmother. This is the story of our family. I will not force you to believe it or not, as it is your choice to believe in what you want. But learn from this story that you don't need to be jealous of your neighbor, even if the grass is greener on his side of the street. You don't need to hate the other guys in your class because they can play basketball better than you. You are able to do things, they are able to do others, and if you are nice to them, they might even help you become better.

    - Where was Zanzarino's house?

    - Somewhere in Ohio, why?

    - We could try to find his house, then follow all the steps he took to find his cave and find him!

    - ... Have you not understood that we should not use greed to find him?

    - You're right dad. You're the strongest and the fastest person we know. To us, you are our Zanzarino, and you're ours alone.

    - Awwww
    *hugs*


    Spoiler for Frostbite Borealis:
    Frostbite Borealis Round 2 Writer Task


    The Holy Church of Zanzarino

    “Welcome! Welcome, brethren, champions, Elemental Slayers of the False Gods, holy warriors of our blessed Zanzarino… friends. Welcome back to the Sacred Temple…”

    The Oracle’s booming voice drifted over the Elementalists. His preaching monologue was thankfully loud enough that he could not hear Flyingcat leaning over and whispering to Zblader,
    “When will we have the guts to tell the Fatty we only come here for the free stuff?”
    In fact, even Zblader didn't hear. He was concentrating too hard on the donation plate coming around. As it was passed across into his lap, Z picked up the Elemental Fortune Wheel and muttered “I can’t believe I didn't come to Church for ages, I thought 'donation' meant WE had to pay! Now… papa needs a new nymph… come on… come on…
    YES!!!!
    YES INDEED!” echoed the Oracle, much to Z’s surprise “You agree? You believe? He WILL return!”
    “err.. yes… not what I meant but OK” chuckled Z, clutching his Turquoise Nymph. 
    The Oracle’s many chins wobbled and bulged as he frowned at his now giggling congregation. They just didn't have faith anymore…
    “TODAY'S SERMON” He bellowed over his flock. “Is one you all know, though some of you… may have forgotten” Z shrivelled in his pew.

    “In the beginning!”

    “Oh not again…” sighed Sevs “it always feels like he’s blaming me…”

    “In the beginning Zanzarino created the hand and the field. But the hand was empty, and the field had yet to be blessed by creature or pillar. Zanzarino saw that his creation was colourless, and there was much work to be done. That was the end of the first update.

    "And Zanzarino said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. Zanzarino saw that the light was good. But he soon got bored with the light and created Darkness. And Aether, and… Zanzarino went a little overboard. By nightfall (the time of day, not the card, that hadn’t been created yet) there were twelve Elements. That was the end of the second update.

    "The third update saw Pillars scattered across the land, conduits for his precious elements. He finished his Pillars with a flourish, a great Quantum Tower upon which he built this temple… and created… Me… his faithful servant, The Oracle.

    "Then Zanzarino created the cards, mythical creatures and spells, weapons and shields. He held them in his hand (for Zanzarino’s hand can hold Eight Hundred cards, not just Eight). That was the end of the fourth update.

    "Finally, the Elementalists came - drawn by Zanzarino’s all consuming power and knowledge, and he gave them his creations for their own enjoyment. With the Elementalists came the False Gods. They did not worry Zanzarino, as it was not his concern whether wars raged or cards were won or sold or lost. So long as his creation was balanced, all was well. The fifth update passed with glorious battles and fabulous victories.”

    A single tear rolled into The Oracle’s greasy goatee as he glanced at Sevs.

    “But the balance could not last. It was inevitable. Elemental nature. Flaws were discovered in the very make-up of the Elements. Shards of the First Pillars were found, and the False Gods found themselves crushingly overrun by a tide of Elementals drunk with the power they found in the Shard of Readiness. Dragon upon Dragon slew God after God in an instant. Instosis was too powerful, too untameable.
    Zanzarino in his wisdom knew that it was not the Elementalists’ fault, they merely used the tools that he gave them. But only a monumental sacrifice could right the wrongs of the First Shards. With the fateful sixth update, Zanzarino wrestled the Shards of Divinity, Gratitude and Readiness from the Elementalists, and created a whole set of Elemental shards to restore balance, this time not from Pillars. He created them out of his very own soul.
    His sacrifice took a great toll on Zanzarino. And before the seventh update, he rested.

    “Buggered off more like” whispered Worldwideweb3, to general merriment.

    Once the Elementalists had shuffled out of the temple, babbling and chattering about what card they had won, or which False God the “Fatty” had predicted they would face next, the Oracle span the great Elemental Fortune Wheel absent-mindedly.
    Out of the folds of his robes he drew his own, secret artefact. The Thirteenth, Rainbow Shard. There, among the glittering diamond faces of the shard lay a spark of light. The last remaining fragment of Zanzarino.

    “Rest well, my Lord. One day someone will spin you from the wheel.”

    Spoiler for Shard of Zanzarino:


    Spoiler for Ragnarok:
    The landline disturbed the arcane dust.
    "You have..."

    A small pause filled the dungeon, suffering dripping from Zanzarino's dead psyche. He was broken, shattered... And the landline, left on his table just to taunt him with the cries of his "children", struggled to calculate the enormity of the anguished souls, struggling relentlessly to reach thier father.
    "...seventy-eight thousand, six hundred and ninety-six... Missed calls."

    Zanzarino was not sure how to feel about this. On one hand, The number of calls had decreased. His children were forgetting, slowly... Maybe the blight that is this event will hurt no one else. In this, he felt a morbid contentment. Finally...

    But, and this was his major opinion on this dreadful matter... That was still seventy-eight thousand, six hundred and ninety-six missed calls. That was a huge number of lost souls, crying for thier father... The thought of such was unbearable.

    Zanzarino could only ponder; What would be worse? This hell-ridden state, or his children seeing him in this hell-ridden state? Is it really fair to compare which one is worse, if both are equally depressing?

    Iron doors wandered wide open, the hellish blizzard diabloically unfurling into the chamber. A demon, known as a hero on the surface, hiding that he is the reaper of souls. This demon, this archfiend of depravity, unshackled once more to blight Zanzarino! Why, again!? How painful, how cruel could one person, or a group of people be to a simple peasant!? Must this suffering go on!?

    "So, tell me..." The demon lashed out his first. This whip tore into Zanzarino's skin, nearly touching his heart yet again. It touched his emotional one, at least.

    He asked Zanzarino what his secret was. What was the secret to his success? Should he sell his soul, transfer his secrets over to the demon, he'll let Zanzarino attend to those morsels he calls children.

    But... Zanzarino, as great as he is... As powerless as he is... What secrets does Zanzarino have? Zanzarino never succeeded at anything. Zanzarino made a card game. All Zanzarino did was-

    ... Suddenly, whilst contemplating, all Zanzarino did was fall prey to being whipped. Over and over. In the struggle to come up with an answer - any answer - to appease his captor, Zanzarino chose pure silence, and pure whips. After so long, why he shedded so many tears then, at those whips, is unbeknowest to anyone; No one has a heart big enough to be emptied for this long. All we know is it hurts his loyal fans, his children, at least as much as Zanzarino.

    And there we have it.
    Zanzarino, chained and rigged, people beating corporate and intellectual secrets out of him, in an attempt to make what they claim is greatest card game ever: Hearthstone.
    And even if it was, is this worth it...?


    Spoiler for Red Stars:
    The Update

    What would you do if your power, prowess, skill was threatened? What if one day you couldn't make mere mortals tremble?
    For a group of very angry persons, this could happen any moment. What they do to rescue their stature affects us all.
    Where progress meets resistance, where powerful becomes powerless, where the future stands still just out of our reach,
    The only thing we have left is the scribblings of a man, driven by one community to update and another to terminate.




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    October 11, 2014
    “I think it’s been a week—maybe—since they took me.

    I’ve lost time in this palace, I think it is. Not that I haven’t counted the days and nights, I have, it’s just…I’ve been sleeping so much. Sometimes I’m afraid that maybe I slept through the daylight when I really only just closed my eyes for a few minutes. The meals don’t come regularly either. Sometimes I get a gourmet salmon filet when the moon peaks out from behind the mountains, and sometimes a sludge named “Soup” cold and gelatin by the time I wake up. This chaos, this mystery is exhausting.

    I’m writing in hope that maybe I won’t lose everything entirely. I don’t know how they found out, and really I don’t know who they are. They can only be after one thing. I’ve seen at least 20 different people now, you see, my tally at the top of the page. They’re all so different, not just what they’re wearing but… I don’t know. Some flash such venomous smiles that I can feel their poison dripping down my neck. Some make eye contact for so long that I’m left with a warmth—and in other cases a frost—so intense I’m afraid to see them again. Few come under the cloak of night, but I feel their eyes like daggers even while a dream.

    This circus of personality is not your typical kidnapper. ”


    October 12, 2014
    “Another came yesterday, and so I added another tally.”

    October 14, 2014
    “And another character again today, but this one was different. Almost gentle in the way she handed me the tray. Her dress pressed itself against her contour, and she danced down the hall, and the dress independently swarmed around her. What glimpse of life she gave me! And for a moment, hope.”

    October 17, 2014
    “I don’t think I’m in Ohio anymore.
    The terrain I see from my impenetrable window—I’ve tried—is mountainous, but I see a land so foreign that any hemisphere of the planet could be my new home.”


    October 18, 2014
    “The sun outside my window makes my stomach ache. I cannot trust that alien sun. I cannot trust the moon. They are not the celestials I have grown up with. Their façade is good, but I trust myself.”

    December 25, 2014
    “The pen is so heavy in my hand.
    Writing has become less therapeutic and more taunting. Each date is simply a guess, each word of this is scribbling of seclusion, solidarity given a voice and madness let off his leash.
    Seven tally marks more, and I think these villains of mine have begun to repeat themselves.”


    December 26, 2014
    “Did you notice that yesterday might have been Christmas? The woman in the dress gave me a package a few days ago, but I couldn’t understand why. I fear the gift. Sometimes I ask God that I won’t be faced with some existential crisis. That present could be it.”

    December 27, 2014
    “The gift was a framed unopened letter. I will go no further.”

    December 29, 2014
    “The letter reads:
       ‘Merry Christmas Zanzarino! The other twenty-eight told me to wish you Happy Holidays.
       Jezzie hopes you’ve been eating well, resting enough, sleeping peacefully. I’m sorta sorry this whole creation of yours is going to stop here. The future is a beautiful place sometimes, no doubt, but I’ve seen what you plan on pursuing, and we simply can’t allow that. There will be no one more powerful than us. And you will remain here until everything you know will be lost.
       You saw what I did to the Lone Stalker. There is no possible chance for you to succeed.
       Enjoy the view,
       E.P.’ “


    Spoiler for Gravy Train Co.:
         
    Breaking News! After countless weeks of research, we have finally located "Zanz" Zanzarino.
         Before telling you where he is, let's go over some facts: Zanz has been missing for years, and the entire Elements the Game community awaits his return. Now what possible motivations could he have for leaving? Some believe that it was because of time, money, or even his "real" life. The evil, evil game known as "Minecraft" to the masses had taken over his brain! Notch, believing Elements to be too popular, created Minecraft to brainwash Zanz into abandoning his game. While he did not expect the idiotic game to appeal to other people, the game served it's purpose and led Zanz away from his beloved Elements. However, Notch did not expect Zanz's mind to be so strong. Before Minecraft stole the last vestiges of his memory away from him, Zanz created another account by the name of Naesala to remind him of Elements. He utilized an important part of human memory by creating a new account; the new account helps him slowly recall past events related to Elements.
         And now, we will analyze some key points of Naesala's behavior to reveal the truth to the world. As many forum members have told us, "Naesala" is overly attached, which we believe symbolizes Zanz's over attachment to the game and forums. Zanz is unable to let his game die, and watches over it with a benevolent eye (maybe even a little too benevolent at times). Even though Notch is trying to pull him away from the game, Zanz can never let it go. Naesala is also known to stab many of the forum members in chat, which we believe is his inner desire to kill Notch for making Minecraft. Alas, Zanz's mind is damaged, and he transfers his killing rage towards the community, but his attachment to the community allows him to turn it into a running gag.
         In conclusion, Zanz is actually Naesala. His mind was damaged by Notch's evil scheme, but he was unable to leave his beloved game, hence Naesala's over attachment to the community. Naesala/Zanz was controlled by Notch, and created the Brawl 4 Round 2 Writer Task in order to disguise himself further. However, our ace team of people with no lives conspiracy experts have unearthed this magnificent discovery! Welcome back, Zanzarino.
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182661#msg1182661
    « Reply #1 on: March 18, 2015, 07:24:19 am »
    Spoiler for BONUS:
    Bonus Task 1 (Round 1&2): Being Cliche Can Be Nice...
    Redraw the Winner's Award Icon!

    What the title says. It is a well-kept tradition to have Brawlers creating their own award icon! Size must be 32 x 32 pixels.

    All teams who submit will receive 5 points. Winner will receive 5 points!

    Deadline: Round #2 deadline.


    Spoiler for Meaning of Life:



    Spoiler for Frostbite Borealis:



    Spoiler for Ragnarok:



    Spoiler for Red Stars:



    Spoiler for Gravy Train Co.:








    Spoiler for CHALLENGE:
    Spoiler for rules:
    Make a bedtime story.
    One of the characters must be a flying cat.
    500-1000 words.

    Spoiler for Meaning of Life:
    - So kids, it is time to go to sleep
    - But Daaad, we can't go to sleep without a story!!
    - ... Ok. This is the story of a frog. The frog, with her friend cockatrice, decided to go out at night. You should never do that kids!
    - We know dad, we don't leave the house when its dark outside
    - Good, let me continue. So the frog and his friend decided to go out in the night. But they never would've guessed what they were about to find!
    - What did they find dad? Tell us tell us!!
    - They found a flying cat.
    - But that's stupid dad, cats don't fly!
    - Hey, its my story, I can do what i want.
    -  "Yeah sure, if you say so, Dad"
    - So the frog decided to talk to the flying cat. ''Hey flying cat, how are you?'' The cat answered ''ZZZZZZZ...''. It was sleeping, because normal people sleep at night and so should you.
    -We know dad! Finish your story please, we want to hear the rest of it!
    -So the cockatrice decided to wake it up!  The cockatrice picked up a rock, and threw it on the cat, which was hanging from a branch. The flying cat woke up and turned to them, and they noticed it was in fact not a flying cat, but a bat! And the bat turned into a vampire! A very tall and very scary vampire that looked very angry and hungry! So they ran, and ran and ran. The vampire was flying after them. They ran through the forest, jumped over rocks, swam in rivers, then ran again. They were really scared of the vampire, espescially since it was dark outside and they couldn't see a thing. They kept on running and noticed that the vampire was catching up to them quickly. As they were about to get caught, the sun came up, and sko, ehh, I mean, the vampire started to sparkle, and said: "You're lucky you got away this time kids The next time you throw a rock at me and wake me up, I'll do more than just chase you - you can be sure of that." The frog and cockatrice were safe, and went home, extenuated. But now the sun was up, the day was starting, there was no time to sleep. But they were tired. What would you kids do if you were their dad?
    - I would let them sleep!
    - And after they woke up?
    - I would tell them to never go outside in the dark again!
     - Alright, other than not going outside in the dark, what do you kids think the moral of this story is?
    - flyingcat is a meanie that should never have even existed and should go burn in hell?
    - No! It is of course to be nice to everybody, even strangers. Don't you think the flying cat would have been a lot nicer if the cockatice had not thrown a rock at him to wake him up in the middle of the night? You should always be nice. Because being nice, that also is the meaning of life. Good night kids.
    - Good night dad.

    Spoiler for Gravy Train Co.:
    The Adventures of a Flyingcat in Elements
           
           Once upon a time, there was a flyingcat who lived in the Crucible. He spent his days napping, flying, and eating fish. He lived a happy life without a care in the world. One day, as he was flying along the fluffy clouds, he spotted a weird glowing crystal.
           ‘What did Mom say about these things again? Something about not touching? I forget’ he thought to himself.
          Just as he reached out to touch the totally not suspicious crystal, there was a bright flash, and when the light faded away, the flyingcat went with it.
         “What is this? Never seen no creature like it! Or any card for that matter!”
         “Could it be a new addition by our almighty lord and savior Zanzarino?”
        “ I don’t think Zanzarino would add no card this ugly!”
       The flyingcat slowly awoke to the sound of voices. In front of him were some of the oddest… things he had seen. To his left was some sort of leech that was burrowed underground. To his right, there was a green and leafy plant that was contently soaking up water.
         “Where am I?” he asked, “I just touched this glowing crystal!”
         “You don’t know where you are?” the leech chuckled, “You’re in the magical world of Elements! Although I must say, I’ve never seen no card like you before.”
         “Elements? What’s that?” the flyingcat asked
         “It’s this wonderful world with many creatures who strive to become the very best, like no one ever was.” the leech responded, “Oh look, I’m going to evolve!”
    All of a sudden, the leech was gone, and in it’s place was a mantis-like creature. All of a sudden, the mantis and the leafy plant lunged forward, with claws and leaves poised to strike. The mantis shrieked in triumph as his claws connected with… something, while the leafy plant bounced off.
         “Argh, I just hate these Gravity Shields!” the plant screeched in frustration.
         “I don’t understand, what’s going on?” the flyingcat timidly asked, “What are you guys doing?”
         “Ah, we didn't explain no good, did we?” the mantis replied, “We’re trying to beat up the other elemental.”
         “Look out, there’s an Otyugh and a Momentum on top of it!” the plant replied in somewhat of a panic.
         “What’s an Otyugh?”
         “Well, it eats smaller things and gets bigger and bigger to eat more things. Mr. Shrieker over there is probably toast” the plant replied casually, “I’d say you're next, since I have too much HP.”
         The Otyugh devoured the mantis in one fell swoop, training it’s greedy eyes onto the plant. It’s gaping maw opened wide, and a blast of it's rancid breath came towards the flyingcat.
         “Wait no, this isn’t supposed to be happening! Did Zanzarino change the game mechanics AGAIN?” the plant screamed in fear and confusion, “SOMEBODY HELP MEEEEEEE!!!”
         The Otyugh closed it’s jaws on the plant, and started cleaning it’s teeth with a hammer. It soon trained it’s hungry eyes on the trembling flyingcat. However, right as it’s carnivorous teeth were about to close on the flyingcat, it suddenly froze and grew very large.
         “Come quickly!” a sweet mellifluous voice drifted out, “I am the Auburn Nymph. Perhaps I can help you?”
         “T-thank you,” the flyingcat managed to stutter out, “I’m very grateful for your help. May I ask where we’re going?”
         “We’re going to The Oracle, he can sort you out!” The Nymph sweetly answered, “He and I are on very good terms. I believe that he has the magical power to send you back home.”
         “Wow, really?” the flyingcat asked in amazement, “I bet he’s a super cool guy!”
         “Don’t hold your breath,” the Nymph muttered sarcastically.
         After a few more hours of travelling, they finally arrived at the Oracle’s hut.
         “Honey, I brought him~!” the Nymph said in a sing-song tone.
         “Huh? Oh yeah, the thing Zanzarino told me to fix,” The Oracle grunted, “Stupid CIA section getting random things added all the time. I swear, if Zanzarino adds another 1 cost 12 attack creature, I'm going to... ARGH. So, uh, let me whip out my magical portal to send you back to the Crucible. You're not getting added until your creator learns to NOT make underpowered cards. Zanzarino coming back and adding all these new things, changing all these game mechanics! Makes me wish he was still MIA! I needed to remind him five times today that this is NOT a live action game, this is NOT a MOBA, and this game WILL require grinding."
          The Oracle whipped out his magic crystal and said, "Now back to the Crucible you go, stupid cat!"
          And the cat went back to the Crucible, and stayed there happily ever after.
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182721#msg1182721
    « Reply #2 on: March 18, 2015, 05:39:02 pm »
    Hey Naesala/ARTHANASIOS, any chance you could copy-paste the original task instructions above each task's submissions?  It's nice to have that as a reference when voting.
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182723#msg1182723
    « Reply #3 on: March 18, 2015, 05:48:57 pm »
    Hey Naesala/ARTHANASIOS, any chance you could copy-paste the original task instructions above each task's submissions?  It's nice to have that as a reference when voting.
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182757#msg1182757
    « Reply #4 on: March 18, 2015, 08:05:40 pm »
    I can't see FE/OT and Writer Tasks, is that normal?
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182758#msg1182758
    « Reply #5 on: March 18, 2015, 08:06:54 pm »
    I can't see FE/OT and Writer Tasks, is that normal?

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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182769#msg1182769
    « Reply #6 on: March 18, 2015, 09:35:41 pm »
    Initial thoughts on card designer submissions:
    Meaning of Life: Ghost of the Present
    0hp + Cannot die

    Frostbite Borealis: Temporal Golem
    0hp + Replaced when dies

    Ragnarok: Leech
    0hp + Cannot die

    Red Stars: Poltergist
    0hp + unclear if this is another "Cannot die" or if it is a "needs a buff spell"
    Clarification from eljoemoe would be nice

    Gravy Train Co.: Domino
    0hp + Replaced when dies

    Honestly I consider "0hp + Cannot die" to be a design trap for this task. Rather than deal with what 0hp means, the "Cannot die" feature negates original meaning of hp for the creature.
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182771#msg1182771
    « Reply #7 on: March 18, 2015, 09:42:31 pm »
    Everything is up. voting time!

    Red Stars: Poltergist
    0hp + unclear if this is another "Cannot die" or if it is a "needs a buff spell"
    Clarification from eljoemoe would be nice

    Needs a buff. Nightfall is a convenient one.
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182772#msg1182772
    « Reply #8 on: March 18, 2015, 09:51:10 pm »


    Frostbite Borealis: Temporal Golem
    0hp + Replaced when dies


    Because it takes a turn to return, rather than using returning as a function to work around 0 hp, it is using the 0 hp to create a specific mechanic. I believe this is an appropriate and inventive idea rather than simply "yeah... it's 0 hp... but it doesn't die"

    I hope that made sense haha
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182773#msg1182773
    « Reply #9 on: March 18, 2015, 09:55:34 pm »


    Frostbite Borealis: Temporal Golem
    0hp + Replaced when dies


    Because it takes a turn to return, rather than using returning as a function to work around 0 hp, it is using the 0 hp to create a specific mechanic. I believe this is an appropriate and inventive idea rather than simply "yeah... it's 0 hp... but it doesn't die"

    I hope that made sense haha

    If considered valid by a given voter then similar logic applies to the MoL and Ragnarok card ideas.  The 0 hp "does not die" is not the end of the card mechanics as one leaves the card damaging its OWNER if not otherwise attended to and the other attaches its "does not die" status to a required prior-existing owner creature.
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182775#msg1182775
    « Reply #10 on: March 18, 2015, 10:21:09 pm »


    Frostbite Borealis: Temporal Golem
    0hp + Replaced when dies


    Because it takes a turn to return, rather than using returning as a function to work around 0 hp, it is using the 0 hp to create a specific mechanic. I believe this is an appropriate and inventive idea rather than simply "yeah... it's 0 hp... but it doesn't die"

    I hope that made sense haha
    I consider 0hp + replacement to be using the 0hp and not a work around. It takes something of the 0hp mechanic (1 turn lifespan) and tries to use it to create something. Now, some attempts are more/less successful in connecting tool(1 turn lifespan) and use(death triggers, anti soft CC, field movement, ...) but they are using the 0hp as a tool rather than ignoring/rewriting it.

    In contrast I see no reason MoL's and Ragnarok's cards have non 0 hp. Ghost of the Present could have had higher hp and threshold with almost no impact. Leech could have had 10hp and it would not make a significant difference.

    PS: Creatures like Leech should differentiate themselves from spells like Blessing. Leech's 4 attack acts like a +4|+0 blessing for the most part. I would have added an additional effect as a rider.
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    Re: Forum Brawl #4 - Round 2 Voting https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57827.msg1182776#msg1182776
    « Reply #11 on: March 18, 2015, 10:35:27 pm »
    Honestly I consider "0hp + Cannot die" to be a design trap for this task. Rather than deal with what 0hp means, the "Cannot die" feature negates original meaning of hp for the creature.

    This is how I'm going to judge a card:
    Can the card be translated into a spell? Does it >have< to be a creature?
    Does the card >need< 0 HP to function from a design standpoint? This excludes the power of a card.

    If the answer to either of these is yes, then I believe you have failed this task, because you have not made a creature with 0 HP.

    You have made a spell in creature form, because all you have done is took a spell and rewrote it so it can magically be a creature (Good Example). You have worked around the 0 HP by just making a spell in creature form.

    OR

    You have made a creature which does not use the 0 HP as an actual function. You've made a card that just happens to have 0 HP because arbitrary reasons. You have worked around the 0 HP by not making it necessary.
    Frostbite's submission can just be a 5 | 1 with "delay this for 1 turn instead of dying." and be the same card.
    Domino's submission can just be a 2 | 1. Okay, it loses its fancy "basically can't die" armour, but the core of the card is the same - it doesn't NEED to die over and over and over.
    Poltergeist has 0 HP for... What reason? Really? Why can't it have 1 HP?

    I believe that the 0 HP merely means that the creature has to be removed in other ways. In the case of MoL, it starts hurting you if it's removed, instead of dying. In my case, you have to kill a creature, THEN it'll die. Is that not using the 0 HP to do something?

     

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