Brawl #2 Suggestions and Feedback

[OldTrees]

I think what I submitted for the revamped CIA voting would work here as well.
Make ppl give a score to each submission, then rank submissions based on the average score.

How does this resolve the vote tax problem?

[andretimpa]

Ranking submissions, which is what Zso suggested seems like the best solution in my opinion (those would need to be done via PMs to the brawlmasters). We should still allow normal votes for the rest of the community though (is there a way to block brawlers from voting in these polls?). How to put these 2 together would require further discussion.

[Acsabi44]

I think what I submitted for the revamped CIA voting would work here as well.
Make ppl give a score to each submission, then rank submissions based on the average score.

How does this resolve the vote tax problem?

Well it mitigates it in my view. Even if you rate your team's submission to 10, nothing forbids you from rating some quite good other submissions to 9 or even 10. Even all of them, if you think all of them deserve it.
And IMO with the non-biased voters taken into account, it will give a better representation than the current option.

[OldTrees]

I think what I submitted for the revamped CIA voting would work here as well.
Make ppl give a score to each submission, then rank submissions based on the average score.

How does this resolve the vote tax problem?

Well it mitigates it in my view. Even if you rate your team's submission to 10, nothing forbids you from rating some quite good other submissions to 9 or even 10. Even all of them, if you think all of them deserve it.
And IMO with the non-biased voters taken into account, it will give a better representation than the current option.

That is half the vote tax problem.
The part you are missing is that your proposal requires some brawlers to either betray their team (not vote) or also make uniformed ratings on other other submissions.
How do you solve this?

[Zso_Zso]

I think the 1-10 rating to all entries would fail the same way as the 2-vote poll has: participants will give their own team 10 and everybody else 1 -- same as not voting for anybody else.

The requirement to order the other entries solves this problem.

[Chapuz]

What about a public voting in the voting thread, saying the roles and teams they vote for in a comment? voting for their own team not allowed.

[Acsabi44]

I think the 1-10 rating to all entries would fail the same way as the 2-vote poll has: participants will give their own team 10 and everybody else 1 -- same as not voting for anybody else.

The requirement to order the other entries solves this problem.

I think what I submitted for the revamped CIA voting would work here as well.
Make ppl give a score to each submission, then rank submissions based on the average score.

How does this resolve the vote tax problem?

Well it mitigates it in my view. Even if you rate your team's submission to 10, nothing forbids you from rating some quite good other submissions to 9 or even 10. Even all of them, if you think all of them deserve it.
And IMO with the non-biased voters taken into account, it will give a better representation than the current option.

That is half the vote tax problem.
The part you are missing is that your proposal requires some brawlers to either betray their team (not vote) or also make uniformed ratings on other other submissions.
How do you solve this?

If every brawler does exactly that, then the 1s and 10s will average out, and thus, letting the unbiased voters decide the rankings based the on the sheer quality of the submissions.
This is how I see it anyways. I might be missing the point.

[CuCN]

I think the 1-10 rating to all entries would fail the same way as the 2-vote poll has: participants will give their own team 10 and everybody else 1 -- same as not voting for anybody else.

The requirement to order the other entries solves this problem.

I think what I submitted for the revamped CIA voting would work here as well.
Make ppl give a score to each submission, then rank submissions based on the average score.

How does this resolve the vote tax problem?

Well it mitigates it in my view. Even if you rate your team's submission to 10, nothing forbids you from rating some quite good other submissions to 9 or even 10. Even all of them, if you think all of them deserve it.
And IMO with the non-biased voters taken into account, it will give a better representation than the current option.

That is half the vote tax problem.
The part you are missing is that your proposal requires some brawlers to either betray their team (not vote) or also make uniformed ratings on other other submissions.
How do you solve this?

If every brawler does exactly that, then the 1s and 10s will average out, and thus, letting the unbiased voters decide the rankings based the on the sheer quality of the submissions.
This is how I see it anyways. I might be missing the point.

So how is it different from the current system, where brawlers voting for their own teams cancel out?

[OldTrees]

I think what I submitted for the revamped CIA voting would work here as well.
Make ppl give a score to each submission, then rank submissions based on the average score.

How does this resolve the vote tax problem?

Well it mitigates it in my view. Even if you rate your team's submission to 10, nothing forbids you from rating some quite good other submissions to 9 or even 10. Even all of them, if you think all of them deserve it.
And IMO with the non-biased voters taken into account, it will give a better representation than the current option.

That is half the vote tax problem.
The part you are missing is that your proposal requires some brawlers to either betray their team (not vote) or also make uniformed ratings on other other submissions.
How do you solve this?

If every brawler does exactly that, then the 1s and 10s will average out, and thus, letting the unbiased voters decide the rankings based the on the sheer quality of the submissions.
This is how I see it anyways. I might be missing the point.

I was assuming honest voters (aka ones that would either rank all honestly or not vote at all).
Take me as an example:
I am specialized on card design thus I can easily cast an informed vote. However I have no aesthetic sense. Thus I cannot cast an informed vote on art. (Hence any vote I would make on art is an uninformed vote)
Assuming I am an honest voter, and on a brawl team, I would have to choose between not voting (thus depriving my team of one of its free 10s) or make uninformed ratings on the other submissions (thus defeating the purpose of a merit based competition).
How do you solve this problem?

[andretimpa]

If you are in a Brawl team then you can vote just for your role. This way all teams are penalized equaly. I also prefer a ranking over grading.

For people not on teams the current system seems good enough.

[Acsabi44]

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How do you solve this problem?

Well, I admit that I cannot solve that problem. I don't think any system proposed can.

[Chapuz]

What about a public voting in the voting thread, saying the roles and teams they vote for in a comment? voting for their own team not allowed.