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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg426874#msg426874
« Reply #24 on: November 17, 2011, 10:59:43 pm »
You don't even need scarabs to win, either. Mummies are capable of doing it themselves. It's just an added boost/bonus when you get to them.
You're saying you can pwn FG's with just Mummies?? I dare you to show me a screenshot of that... Maybe that's not your point, but most of the last comments talk about FG's.

If you go first, it's possible to have 4 scarabs on the first turn, or 8 by the second turn, depending on draws (although, of course highly unlikely). If you go second, it's possible to have 6 scarabs on the first turn or 9 on the 2nd. It's not very unlikely to have 2 out by turn 3 or 4 though. All you need for that is a Mummy, Nova, RT, and SoR, each of which I have 4 or more of.
Tell me how it's possible to have 4 scarabs in the first turn please, because I don't get it... And having four copies is far from being enough to ensure you one copy of each on hand by turn one, do the maths... I think I'll do it now and post once I got it, but there's no way you can easily have a 3 card combo by turn 1 (also taking in account you need to draw quanta sources).
I said myself it's not likely, but it's definitely possible. Not seeing that is proof that you and the others who posted here bashing m ydeck don't understand how to use it, and therefore that could be why you lose so much. And just because it's not likely to get 4 scarabs on the first turn doesn't mean the deck fails. Not many decks send out 5 creatures on the first turn.

If your starting hand is 3 Novas, a Mummy, an RT, and 2 SoR's, that's 4 Scarabs on turn 1. The chances are:

6/30 * 5/29 * 4/28 * 6/27 * 4/26 * 4/25 * 3/24 = 2/593,775 if I did the maths correctly.

In other words, it's slightly better than 1 in 300,000 chance BUT I didn't say it was likely, just possible, as in a previous post you said you didn't even see how it was possible.

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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg426894#msg426894
« Reply #25 on: November 17, 2011, 11:40:59 pm »
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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg426925#msg426925
« Reply #26 on: November 18, 2011, 12:21:36 am »
The better version

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31747.0.html
Way too much :entropy too late when it's not needed. No defense (bone walls). No :gravity, and no chimera, which is good against others' shields. That deck is much slower than mine at rushing, and can't stall. Why is this better? lol

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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg426954#msg426954
« Reply #27 on: November 18, 2011, 01:27:01 am »
85% win rate against FGs?

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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg427005#msg427005
« Reply #28 on: November 18, 2011, 02:18:35 am »
The better version

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31747.0.html
Way too much :entropy too late when it's not needed. No defense (bone walls). No :gravity, and no chimera, which is good against others' shields. That deck is much slower than mine at rushing, and can't stall. Why is this better? lol
It is PSN the entropy is there to get it off faster. you dont need defense when you consistantly get 4 turn 1 scarabs.  it isnt slower by any means lol
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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg427040#msg427040
« Reply #29 on: November 18, 2011, 03:45:29 am »
The better version

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,31747.0.html
Way too much :entropy too late when it's not needed. No defense (bone walls). No :gravity, and no chimera, which is good against others' shields. That deck is much slower than mine at rushing, and can't stall. Why is this better? lol
It is PSN the entropy is there to get it off faster. you dont need defense when you consistantly get 4 turn 1 scarabs.  it isnt slower by any means lol
This deck isn't any better at getting 4 turn 1 scarabs than mine is. You have LESS mummies and LESS pendulums than I have novas, PLUS you need an additional card (supernova), and your only perk is more SoR's. How do you figure? lol

And you DO need defense. It's easy for people with early CC to get rid of all your scarabs and pharoahs. Then what? You lose. A good example of a deck I can also beat is mono-fire. Even with early CC, they can never get past my bone walls.

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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg427130#msg427130
« Reply #30 on: November 18, 2011, 07:13:20 am »
The thing about that other deck is, precogs. After you play a SNova then essentially all those Precogs become speedthroughs of the deck. Although being completely honest I prefer Mono-time Pharaoh for this kind of deck. ((Mono-Time Pharaoh simply being 14 Time Towers, 4 Time Pendulums, 6 SoR, 6 Pharaoh, Gravity Mark. Its honestly 'very' efficient at what it does.))

Also, unless you're talking about reverse time itself, what CC are you talking about that can be rushed out to greet a 8 hp pharaoh and kill it in a couple turns? That heavy CC usually requires a Domin deck, which has a low level of damage output itself so its not going to rush you. And scarabs become very heavy defensively once you get 6+ up. Plus, you 'defense' is inbuilt into the scarabs in the form of devour.

Also, if you want some true stats to prove your claim, just play 50 matches against FG's and record your wins and losses.

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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg427159#msg427159
« Reply #31 on: November 18, 2011, 08:19:15 am »
This 85% wins is problematic and ruins your credibility. You can't just come and give stats like that.
You need to give us evidences and details. Screenshots and False-god per FG breakthrough. Against whom do you win 100% and how? Against whom do you lose and why?

85% is really above the usual win rate of all the other FG farmers, and if it's confirmed, it deserves a deeper thread. Because apparently, even veterans have hard time reaching this win rate.

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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg427222#msg427222
« Reply #32 on: November 18, 2011, 01:42:38 pm »
Don't let all the moaning and groaning get to you tiamats4esgares.
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Your deck has a good concept which may not be quite the novelty, as Sevs has link-proved it, but still ... 

85% against FGs though ... and on and on he goes again  :)) :))



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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg427313#msg427313
« Reply #33 on: November 18, 2011, 05:04:19 pm »
I said myself it's not likely, but it's definitely possible. Not seeing that is proof that you and the others who posted here bashing m ydeck don't understand how to use it, and therefore that could be why you lose so much.
I'm not bashing your deck, and I haven't even tried it, I'm just showing with maths that your percentages in the Original Post are not real stats. Actually, you're disregarding the opinion of vets, and saying that X person doesn't know how to use the deck, when this was an idea that has been tried before... I encourage you to edit that OP in order to gain some credibility, or to show the stats of those wins.
Also, I firmly believe that reaching 85% win rate against FGs is simply impossible, mostly because you'd have to make a single deck that could defeat a MULTIPLE 2xhp, 2xdeck, 3xmark, 2xdraw, fully upgraded opponents with good decks (not like uber decks, but at they're actually good ones).

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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg427318#msg427318
« Reply #34 on: November 18, 2011, 05:19:47 pm »
What is your logic on using more mummies than rewinds?

Mummies without rewinds are pretty much just... Mummies...

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Re: Scarab Deck Without Time Towers - Say What? https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33820.msg427341#msg427341
« Reply #35 on: November 18, 2011, 06:11:25 pm »

You only need one pharaoe to get the gameplan going.
And you first need a mummy before you can play a rewind on it.
So it makes sense to have one mummy more than a rewind.

 

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