Instosis [FG][OTK][Arena]

[kurathedog]

My up order, and other stuff:
Already had HG's, towers, and req cards upped
+1 tower--> Blitz ---> Sor ---> Chimera ---> Sundials---> Maybe or maybe not remove tower, depending on my mood.
Never bothered with mitosis. Has never ever made a difference.
I always hated auto-mul into all sundials.

+1 Tower means faster HG out (at cost of slightly lower chance of drawing one early), and pays for unupped sundials.
Also lets you run unupped sundials, if it really bugs you.
That is the varient I have been sticking with. A 3/3 sundial split, and one more tower.

I would like to see mention of the different slight mods to this deck that are possible, besides the FG specific ones (TU, +1 tower, +1 tower and +1 HG, sundials upped or unupped). I remember reading about them when the thread was smaller, but now I can't really find them.

[kimham8a]

what fg deck has a better winrate than this? or is this the fastest AND strongest?

[burpcow]

This deck is the fastest and strongest currently.

[furballdn]

what fg deck has a better winrate than this? or is this the fastest AND strongest?

None so far.

[Sevs]

what fg deck has a better winrate than this? or is this the fastest AND strongest?

None so far.

When I am done with 200 games This (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,37412.0.html) will be competitive.

[UnderneathTheLens]

Dark Matter win 8)  (Won two gravity forces )

[drolly]

Dark Matter win 8)  (Won two gravity forces )

Thanks for your post, it encouraged me not to skip Dark Matter today. And guess what: I won, too! 8) I had 3 HGs in my initial draw which enabled me to discard one and wait for the end of the first BH chain. Then I played my SNs and he didn't BH me the whole match again! The Gravity Nymph came out on the last turn - too late to defeat me. Won a Gravity Force and a Black Hole, RNG finally shows some favour

[zaen]

Does anyone have any recent numbers for cards per hour with a large sample size?

My skip list is longer than suggested: Chaos Lord, Dark Matter, Decay, Dream Catcher, Eternal Phoenix, Hermes, Jezebel, Octane, Rainbow

10 separate hour runs fully upped.
Games attempted per hour:  19.5
Games won per hour: 13.7
Cards per hour: 6.1

Given my skip list and the different drop rates as well as games played against FGs, this should vary, but with a large enough sample it should be consistent enough for an estimate.  Any comments on whether this is low/about right/high?

PS - I should note that I see the stats posted in the first post under Sev.  The FG indexes make assumptions and I'm only interested in the card rate per hour as the electrum won/lost is trivial (<10% total electrum change).  However, Sev's card drop rate given by his FG index is ~9 cards per hour where I'm at 6.  I'm skipping some of the gods he had lower win %s against so I'm not sure where the difference is.

[Jenkar]

Experience.
Also, even if they're low, 3/4 cph is nothing to throw away.

[Sevs]

Does anyone have any recent numbers for cards per hour with a large sample size?

My skip list is longer than suggested: Chaos Lord, Dark Matter, Decay, Dream Catcher, Eternal Phoenix, Hermes, Jezebel, Octane, Rainbow

10 separate hour runs fully upped.
Games attempted per hour:  19.5
Games won per hour: 13.7
Cards per hour: 6.1

Given my skip list and the different drop rates as well as games played against FGs, this should vary, but with a large enough sample it should be consistent enough for an estimate.  Any comments on whether this is low/about right/high?

PS - I should note that I see the stats posted in the first post under Sev.  The FG indexes make assumptions and I'm only interested in the card rate per hour as the electrum won/lost is trivial (<10% total electrum change).  However, Sev's card drop rate given by his FG index is ~9 cards per hour where I'm at 6.  I'm skipping some of the gods he had lower win %s against so I'm not sure where the difference is.

from what you posted you average a little over 3 min games with a 70% winrate, in the stats i took wins took around 2:20 per game. which is a 25% difference. It could also just be bad luck in the spins. even over 10 hours, the sample size isnt that large.

[zaen]

Does anyone have any recent numbers for cards per hour with a large sample size?

My skip list is longer than suggested: Chaos Lord, Dark Matter, Decay, Dream Catcher, Eternal Phoenix, Hermes, Jezebel, Octane, Rainbow

10 separate hour runs fully upped.
Games attempted per hour:  19.5
Games won per hour: 13.7
Cards per hour: 6.1

Given my skip list and the different drop rates as well as games played against FGs, this should vary, but with a large enough sample it should be consistent enough for an estimate.  Any comments on whether this is low/about right/high?

PS - I should note that I see the stats posted in the first post under Sev.  The FG indexes make assumptions and I'm only interested in the card rate per hour as the electrum won/lost is trivial (<10% total electrum change).  However, Sev's card drop rate given by his FG index is ~9 cards per hour where I'm at 6.  I'm skipping some of the gods he had lower win %s against so I'm not sure where the difference is.

from what you posted you average a little over 3 min games with a 70% winrate, in the stats i took wins took around 2:20 per game. which is a 25% difference. It could also just be bad luck in the spins. even over 10 hours, the sample size isnt that large.

I'll give you the time difference.  Most of my games are around 2:45 per game, but I tend to err on the side of caution with sundials and drawing to 8 cards without having the combo in hand (ie you could potentially have to drop an additional sundial or break the combo).  This puts me around 8-11 ttw instead of your 7-10.  Though if I did take more risks, it would lower my win % which negates any time difference (assumption but I believe it holds true).  I do have a statistic for 'bad deck order' which means I lost due to drawing no time towers, hourglasses, supernovas or some combination which caused the loss of a match (definite, not a subjective loss).  This accounted for 13% of my losses.

Sev - 6 cards per hour is fine by me compared to AI3 grinding, but if you can get 9, I'd love to learn how exactly.  I'm still not sure where the % win difference is coming from.  Sev, your 134:46 W:L (not counting skips) gives you a win rate right around mine.  I've played...183 games (different stages of upping instosis) before this 10x single hour runs (195 games played).  What am I doing wrong or should do differently?

Jenkar - I'd argue against attempting even 75% win rate FGs from a pure statistics standpoint.  The total electrum value is highly linked to the cards won per hour so skipping every god with a low (relative term) win rate for gods with high win rates yields you the most spins and thus electrum per hour.  Unless you lose near instantly, you'd make more per time unit by skipping.

[.Edward.]

For my 15k score deck,that 5k came from this deck.Thank you very much.