Nesting Doll | Nesting Doll

[headshrinker]

very good idear!but plz make Russian Doll to be a and maybe you can make a series of dolls~

[SnoWeb]

Epic idea. Might want to change the name to Nesting Doll. And change the effect to something like this..

"5 Separate : Generate a Nesting Doll with X|Y.  X is the attack of this creature -1 and Y is the health of this creature -1."

I'm sorry but I can't agree about the skill, it doesn't duplicate with -1|-1, it generate a X|X doll depending of the original size. Even if you bless your doll and get a 8|8 or a 5|2 because of a RoF the skill is the same and give always a 4|4 doll. You should think a nesting doll "protect" the other dolls inside^^

What about:
5-N : Separate
Generate a 5-N|5-N Nesting Doll, wherein N is the generation of the doll. (here the original doll card is generation 0).

N.B.: I really like this idea, it's original.

[Fredd0]

I agree that nesting doll is a better name than Russian doll.  After all, they are the same thing.  As for the element...  uhh... maybe entropy?  The entropy of the universe is always expanding and multiplying JUST LIKE THESE DOLLS!  Cool mechanic though.

Thanks for the praise!
Sorry but as you can see in one of my reply Entropy isn't a good choice. Your explanation is good but I think like OldTree: "It remains too structured for Entropy".

I guess Light can work alright as it would create two opposing dolls.

Frankly creature multiplication is clearly a Life element's skill. Firefly Queen, mitosis etc use  ... I like the idea of having dolls in opposite elements though.

Yes I agree with you, Nesting Doll as opposite of Voodoo Doll is pretty cool, it's one more good reason to make the change^^
Thanks for your comment

The term is 'matriochka  doll'.  

I like the idea, but it should be 'create a new doll with the same stats -1|-1'.  It should also start smaller (a la Deja Vu) and beg to be buffed.  I agree with the choice of , thematically.

Yes your right! I see it on wikipedia^^ I may change the name to Nesting Doll|Matriochka Doll or only Nesting Doll|Nesting Doll, I am not decided yet.

I agree with you and OldTree it must be smaller but I'm not going to make Nesting Doll under 5|5 (5 dolls is the least you can find IRL)

About the skill I already said it doesn't work like Deja Vu, even if it seems similar it's an other mechanics.

I'm happy someone finally think darkness could fit

very good idear!but plz make Russian Doll to be a and maybe you can make a series of dolls~

Thanks!
Sorry but even if ther isn't reason to not choose  , there isn't much reason to choose     :/

What about:
5-N : Separate
Generate a 5-N|5-N Nesting Doll, wherein N is the generation of the doll. (here the original doll card is generation 0).

N.B.: I really like this idea, it's original.

Oui effectivement sa semble correspondre à ce que je veux faire mais je n'ai actuellement pas l'intention de changer le texte. J'ai délibérément choisit de faire une description la plus simple possible de manière à coller au mieux à celle déjà existantes dans Elements. Pour tout dire j'aurai même du mettre "Generate a smaller Russian Doll" car dans les textes des cartes actuelles il n'y a pas de X|X, mais je l'ai mis pour que tout le monde comprenne au premier coup d'oeuil et n'ai pas a aller chercher à quoi "smaller" correspond.

Merci pour ton commentaire et le compliment



^(Let me know if all my reply must be in english, If so I shall translate the last part ^^)

[SnoWeb]

Oui effectivement sa semble correspondre à ce que je veux faire mais je n'ai actuellement pas l'intention de changer le texte. J'ai délibérément choisit de faire une description la plus simple possible de manière à coller au mieux à celle déjà existantes dans Elements. Pour tout dire j'aurai même du mettre "Generate a smaller Russian Doll" car dans les textes des cartes actuelles il n'y a pas de X|X, mais je l'ai mis pour que tout le monde comprenne au premier coup d'oeuil et n'ai pas a aller chercher à quoi "smaller" correspond.

Merci pour ton commentaire et le compliment

The problem is that your text doesn't fit for the smaller dolls. When you'll have the first generation doll on the field your text will be wrong. For each generation in your case the text will be different. If you want to avoid complicated 5-N notation then I believe "Generate a smaller Russian Doll" is better. However, you still have a problem for the cost that should decrease for each generation (it is still not the case here).

J'espère que je me suis bien fait comprendre. Le problème de ton texte "plus simple", c'est qu'il sera faux pendant le jeu... Une plus petite poupée devrait générer une encore plus petite poupée pour moins cher. Seulement dans ton cas, le texte restera le même ... Ma solution a le mérite d'être toujours juste (sans avoir à changer le texte à chaque fois).

[TheManuz]

I really like this card, and for some reason i think it belongs to  .
Anyway, i don't have a good idea for the generation method, but i think that the original card should lobotomize itself after generating the smaller doll (like Deja Vu).
Then, the newborn doll has the ability to generate another doll and lobotomize itself too, and so on for the other dolls.

Also, i like the idea that growing the doll make it spawn more dolls. I don't know, but it seems funnier that way!

[Fredd0]

The problem is that your text doesn't fit for the smaller dolls. When you'll have the first generation doll on the field your text will be wrong. For each generation in your case the text will be different. If you want to avoid complicated 5-N notation then I believe "Generate a smaller Russian Doll" is better. However, you still have a problem for the cost that should decrease for each generation (it is still not the case here).

J'espère que je me suis bien fait comprendre. Le problème de ton texte "plus simple", c'est qu'il sera faux pendant le jeu... Une plus petite poupée devrait générer une encore plus petite poupée pour moins cher. Seulement dans ton cas, le texte restera le même ... Ma solution a le mérite d'être toujours juste (sans avoir à changer le texte à chaque fois).

I understand, I don't know how I'm going to change it but it's obvious I have to. I see too much lack of undestanding.

I really like this card, and for some reason i think it belongs to  .
Anyway, i don't have a good idea for the generation method, but i think that the original card should lobotomize itself after generating the smaller doll (like Deja Vu).
Then, the newborn doll has the ability to generate another doll and lobotomize itself too, and so on for the other dolls.

Also, i like the idea that growing the doll make it spawn more dolls. I don't know, but it seems funnier that way!

I'm sorry but even if  could fit, I think  or  fit better. But I'm thinking to make a "doll" (more like a figure) for  .

About the skill the way you describe it is how it's suppose to work actually xD
Sorry if it is not rather clear but I noted it in the "notes" part^^

Thanks for your comment

[zse]

The term is 'matriochka  doll'.  

No, it's матрёшка. We already have Schrödinger’s Cat, so why not use the original name here too.

Thematically I'd like to see these Dolls having more health points than attack power. That would fit well in , although getting random element dolls could also be kind of fun, but then it would be harder to use in non-rainbow deck.

[nilsieboy]

i like the card and idea but it looks a bit OP with mitosis/SoR to me...

[PlayerOa]

The term is 'matriochka  doll'.  

No, it's матрёшка. We already have Schrödinger’s Cat, so why not use the original name here too.

Thematically I'd like to see these Dolls having more health points than attack power. That would fit well in , although getting random element dolls could also be kind of fun, but then it would be harder to use in non-rainbow deck.

Why don't ø gets ö's love

Mitosis/Sor - The SoR is only for one doll (I think?)

[OldTrees]

i like the card and idea but it looks a bit OP with mitosis/SoR to me...

Mitosis/SoR would allow you to create 1 5|5 (6|6 upgraded) for 0. (this is after the revisions promised) That reminds me of Abomination (Abyssal Crawler upgraded) Mitosis SoR but this would still have its ability so lets check that.

Its ability is like a 1 use weaker mitosis for a fair price. Might this require an increase in cost? Perhaps but if it is it is close to the right cost and the activation cost probably should not be modified.

So perhaps
Casting Cost: 6 |6
Attack: 5|6
HP: 5|6
Activation Cost [one time use]: 4 for a 4|4[5|5 upgraded] with (3 for a 3|3 [4|4 upgraded] with (...) )

[Fredd0]

Mitosis/Sor - The SoR is only for one doll (I think?)

Yes of course, and the skill disappears after the first use...

[Fredd0]

Ok, I made the changes:

- From Darkness the Nesting dolls are now Light creature.
- Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll costs, attack and health are decreased by 1.
- I change the skill text, hopefully it can be understand more easily now.

Please let me know if you see any mistake before I submit to the Crucible