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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg271517#msg271517
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2011, 11:16:46 pm »
I really think that the ability should be "5 :rainbow Part: Nesting Doll is cloned with an exact copy and takes -1|-1."
Do that would allow fun and interesting strategies to the card.

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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg271540#msg271540
« Reply #25 on: February 15, 2011, 11:45:21 pm »
Actually, I really like the use of the 'daughter creature' term from Mitosis. It fits perfectly here.
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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg271550#msg271550
« Reply #26 on: February 15, 2011, 11:53:02 pm »
Very original. :D
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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg271879#msg271879
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2011, 03:11:24 pm »
Why the name is now half French? Matriochka is not the way to spell that word in English nor in Russian.
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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg271888#msg271888
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2011, 03:27:31 pm »
Do you have something against French, Zse? I think it's sexier this way! But, it's not really the point here, you are right. Moreover, Matryoshka already means doll. Then it would be Nesting doll|Матрьошка ...

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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg271900#msg271900
« Reply #29 on: February 16, 2011, 04:00:22 pm »
Do you have something against French, Zse? I think it's sexier this way! But, it's not really the point here, you are right. Moreover, Matryoshka already means doll. Then it would be Nesting doll|Матрьошка ...
Nothing against French people. I just think the French way of spelling shouldn't be used in this spot, and so I wanted to point out that little thing like Fredd0 asked:
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Actually I don't speak a word of Russian myself, but seeing the word spelled having those letter combinations io and ch just looked/sounded weird and not Russian.

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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg272040#msg272040
« Reply #30 on: February 16, 2011, 08:17:28 pm »
Let me clarify myself a doubt: the card text reads:
:light : Separate
Generate a daughter creature with all values decreased by 1

Turn 1: I play a 5|5 doll.
Turn 2: I use skill, now i got a 4|4 doll and a 5|5 doll.
Turn 3: I use both skills and now i got a 3|3 (generated from the 4|4) and a 4|4 (generated from the 5|5).

That's not how matrioska works...
The 5|5 should generate a 4|4 and lose it's ability.
Then the 4|4 should generate a 3|3 and lose it's ability.
And so on...

Other way to get the same effect is this:
 
I really think that the ability should be "5 :rainbow Part: Nesting Doll is cloned with an exact copy and takes -1|-1."
Do that would allow fun and interesting strategies to the card.
But adding the single use of ability.

So, in the end:
"5 :rainbow Part: Nesting Doll is cloned with a lobotomized copy and takes -1|-1. "
OR
"5 :rainbow Part: Nesting Doll is cloned with an exact copy and loses its ability. The copy gets -1|-1." (this is closer to real behavior of matrioska)

I hope i was clear!  :-[

EDIT: I'm sorry, i read just now the card notes. I thought the ability was not meant to be used once!

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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg272178#msg272178
« Reply #31 on: February 16, 2011, 10:43:11 pm »
I really think that the ability should be "5 :rainbow Part: Nesting Doll is cloned with an exact copy and takes -1|-1."
Do that would allow fun and interesting strategies to the card.
I think the Nesting dolls are balanced as it is now and could be OP if it worked like Deja vu. Use a blessing and you could get 9+8+7+6+5+4+3+2+1=45 potential damages with only 2 cards? yes it takes lots of turns but I think it's too much anyway.


Actually, I really like the use of the 'daughter creature' term from Mitosis. It fits perfectly here.


Thanks! :)


Very original. :D
Do the daughter creatures have Separate?
Thanks :)
Yes a daughter creature is an exact copy of the base version of the creature, including skill.


Why the name is now half French? Matriochka is not the way to spell that word in English nor in Russian.
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Matryoshka
To tell the truth I copy/paste from an Essence's reply, who would have believed he would have used French way of spelling for Russian word^^
Anyway I didn't know which was best between Nesting Doll|Nesting Doll and Nesting Doll|Matriochka Doll, now I know which one I must choose.


EDIT: I'm sorry, i read just now the card notes. I thought the ability was not meant to be used once!
No need to apologize, I wanted to add "skill is removed afterwards" to the text of the skill but not enough room.

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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg272231#msg272231
« Reply #32 on: February 16, 2011, 11:43:42 pm »
I'd really like to see this added to the game :D
This card would be so much fun
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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg272238#msg272238
« Reply #33 on: February 16, 2011, 11:53:41 pm »
I see in my mind 3 sets of these:
 :aether :entropy :gravity :time
 :air :earth :fire :water
 :darkness :death :life :light
Beyond that im not sure what they would do.
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Re: Nesting Doll | Matriochka Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg274106#msg274106
« Reply #34 on: February 19, 2011, 08:52:27 pm »
I'd really like to see this added to the game :D
This card would be so much fun
Yes, I think it would be fun too! And you can make it easily more fun to play by adding an effect or random skill (or even a random creature xD ) with the last doll^^
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I see in my mind 3 sets of these:
 :aether :entropy :gravity :time
 :air :earth :fire :water
 :darkness :death :life :light
Beyond that im not sure what they would do.
I don't know what you have in mind but I'm already working on  :earth:fire:death and  :air dollz. But I don't think I have anything as good as nesting dolls so far.



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Re: Nesting Doll | Nesting Doll https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21130.msg274118#msg274118
« Reply #35 on: February 19, 2011, 09:11:51 pm »
OK, here is the idea the top level doll is :light activate skill the next level is a different element with the same skill but the skill cost the same as the current level's element.

if doll that pops out is Darkness the skill cost  :darkness.
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