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Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321749#msg321749
« on: April 28, 2011, 06:43:36 am »
NAME:
Imp Spirit
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
6 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|4
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness : Corrupt - Use target's ability.
NAME:
Fiend Spirit
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
6 :darkness
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
0|4
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness : Corrupt - Use target's ability.
ART:
http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=view&id=1089932
IDEA:
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NOTES:
This creature is airborne. This can target any creature or permanent in play that has an Activated Ability - yours or your opponents. That may not seem that great, but there's a little more to it. If you use one of your opponent's abilities, they won't be able to use it, because it will still be in 'cooldown' during their turn. For creatures that have any kind of growth ability, the spirit gets the stat increase. In addition to using your opponent's ability, it also uses their quanta for the ability. So it can be a form of pseudo-denial.
You can use your opponent's Hourglass to draw cards for yourself.
You can use a Lava Golem to grow your own creature.
Does your opponent have an Otyugh? Have it eat your opponent's creatures and you get the stat gain.  (yes evil)
I'm sure there are many more uses for this ability.
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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321750#msg321750
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2011, 06:44:13 am »
This was the original submission. It had restrictions, so it's now open for critique.

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321751#msg321751
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2011, 06:46:46 am »
hmm, how will this work with UG?
and with vampire dagger, since it has no attack, it's useless, right?
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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321753#msg321753
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2011, 06:50:05 am »
It only works on cards with Activated Abilities.

For Unstable Gas, it would blow up and your opponent would take the 20 damage.

You can't target Vampire Dagger.

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321776#msg321776
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2011, 08:29:06 am »
Problem I see is that it would require double targeting, which I've heard is trouble.

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321808#msg321808
« Reply #5 on: April 28, 2011, 11:20:09 am »
Problem I see is that it would require double targeting, which I've heard is trouble.
I don't think it's double targeting. It's a single targeting that triggers another targeting.
From a code point of view is different, because Zanz call the targeting of Imp Spirit that has a single target. That triggers the effect of the card targeted, that can has target or not (Schrodinger's Cat, for example, does not have a target).

It's not very simple, but technically is not double targeting, and i think it can be done.
Other than that, i think that we should not bother with technical limitations, because if a card too complicated it's Zanz choice.

Back to the card: I really like it!!! But... let's take an example: Gargoyle and Lycanthrope.
If Imp Spirit use Gargoyle's ability or Lycanthrope's ability, they lose their ability as they used it, or they retain it?
I think they should lose it, like if they used it.
And they should get the bonus, because that bonuses has no target, so you cannot change it.
About Unstable Gas: It should be destroyed like a normal activation.

To better clarify that, i would use the wording "Trigger target ability. You choose eventual target."

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321863#msg321863
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2011, 02:15:24 pm »
For Gargoyle and Lycanthrope... when this card targets them and uses their ability, they lose it.

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321872#msg321872
« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2011, 02:32:07 pm »
For Gargoyle and Lycanthrope... when this card targets them and uses their ability, they lose it.
And the bonus goes to?

EDIT: looking again at the card, i think that upped version should cost less (5 :darkness or 4 :darkness), but the ability should remain 2 :darkness.

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321904#msg321904
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2011, 03:55:11 pm »
The bonus would go to the Imp/Fiend Spirit.

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg321909#msg321909
« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2011, 04:09:43 pm »
I would suggest that the Imp should be able to acquire the ability for the turn, which would replace it's own ability (perhaps with a 0-cost).  Then the player can use that ability that same turn.  This would allow the Imp to not only use activated abilities, but any active ability (Vampire, for example).  After it's attack, the ability would revert back to Corrupt.  Leave it to Zanz to determine if activated abilities can be taken and activated in a single click.

I do not like the idea that in using a Sacrifice or One-Time ability should impact the originating creature.  If Imp is using the ability, Imp should pay the price.  Otherwise Imp could also kill and Lobo certain creatures.

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg322882#msg322882
« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2011, 08:18:47 pm »
Any other suggestions? Otherwise I'll submit it to the Crucible vote.

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Re: Imp Spirit | Fiend Spirit https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=25230.msg322884#msg322884
« Reply #11 on: April 29, 2011, 08:21:39 pm »
It works on activated abilities, right?

Then it can target any of the weapons' abilities?

 

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