Ghost of the Deep | Ghost of the Depths

[Pineapple]

RT to secure draw-lock. It's pretty hard to force the opponent to discard unless he has quanta problems (through bad luck or bad deckbuilding) or has an empty hand for a reasonable amount of the time (if for example your opponent is playing a rush). RT greatly improves the chance of them being unable to play a card just drawn (and being forced to discard a card).

[moomoose]

ah, right.  slipped my mind, been a while since i played a nightmare/gotp deck.

[Chapuz]

I think the important words there were "fully effective". he probably meant the reverse time creature lockdown of  added extra benefit to the combo.

Yes sir.

[OdinVanguard]

Opponent gains Sky blitz and Miracle effect pop to mind for  and  ... Though that might be a bit OP.
Maybe have  cast heal on all opponent creatures and  cast dive or shockwave on a random creature of the appropriate side instead.
Ghost of Salvation -  (or holy ghost... but that seemed a little trite)
Ghost of The Howling Wind - 

I noticed is missing... though since this is the same element as nightmare I realize you may be leaving it out intentionally.

[AnimationX]

(didn't see the "apply purify counters to the opponent and was confused)
Yay, a counter those annoying SoSac poison decks. xD

I noticed   is missing... though since this is the same element as nightmare I realize you may be leaving it out intentionally.

I noticed this too. Maybe it should just be weaker since it can be used in monos.

[moomoose]

skyblitz is funky and miracle overshadows everything else proposed.  darkness was indeed left out intentionally

[Daguerreo]

i rather like the idea. not sure about the other elements. but i like this water one.

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[TheManuz]

Wonderful card, i fully support these discard-punishment mechanics!
The is awesome, but i like the others as well.
The only thing that bothers me a little is the flavor, i'd hate to have 12 ghosts recolored!
Maybe some other creatures could fit the theme as well, but it's a secondary issue.

[ZephyrPhantom]

Wonderful card, i fully support these discard-punishment mechanics!
The is awesome, but i like the others as well.
The only thing that bothers me a little is the flavor, i'd hate to have 12 ghosts recolored!
Maybe some other creatures could fit the theme as well, but it's a secondary issue.

12 Ghosts really isn't an issue given that 12-card sets have already done in ETG (Dragons, Nymphs, in-development Shards, etc...)

What I think would be a problem is how much these Ghosts would overshadow/be overshadowed with other midhitters in the Elements they are put in. (Time specifically gained GoTP because it needed a midhitter. Elements such as Water already have midhitters such as upgraded Abyss Crawler, Puffer Fish, and Steam Machine (w/Duo or SoR)). Do the Ghosts contribute to the game in any other way besides discard effects? (Not that they have to, but IMHO if the Ghosts were able to avoid most redundancy with other cards they might end up seeing more use in various deck.)

[moomoose]

on one hand you could use the ghosts to fill in the gaps in some elements creature ranges, but on the other if you lower the cost of a ghost you make it faster to play (which i would argue would make it more powerful than high costing cards, irregardless of the reduced atk values)

i dont remember the atk|cost of the original minotaur off the top of my head, but i really only looked at the discard mechanic.  for the current gotp, i see the atk as just being justified by the cost of the card as well as the potential to hurt yourself in a worst case scenario.

i think nestling ghosts just under dragons makes sense for the sake of consistency, in both atk and turns till you can put it into play.

[TheManuz]

I think that costs should be compared to the effect that the ghost causes on the opponent.
For example (it's only an example), the ghost could cause Bioluminescence on opponent (quanta production + 10 HP heal). Since this is not very powerful, the ghost should have low stats (something like 2|3) and have a low cost (i don't know, maybe 3 ?).
There is no reason for them to be midhitters.

[darkrobe]

I dont know how easy it would be to balance effects with cost.

The argument could be made that weak effects should go to harder to pay for cards, so that it is more likely that the opponent will be unable to play from their hand.

It depends on what amount of the strategy is based on getting that discard effect, and what amount of the strategy is based on early hand stuffing to prevent draw.

I think it would be easier to look at the effects on equal footing (aka similar stats and costs) and then move from there. (But in general you are right that there is no particular reason for them all to be midhitters)