Round 2 - Main Topic

[DrunkDestroyer]

After a very successful round 1, it looks like we're all up for Round 2, and this time we can almost choose who we want to duel, or at least which teams.

The event card is here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32499.0.html

And we have match ups against: and  . How we're going to divide who will play each round, I guess we'll figure out later.


So, 8 matches, 8 decks. I'll try to make a thread with all the decks used so far, which might help us decide what to take against who. Also, the other teams have more than likely noticed our heavy use of PC, so we should expect decks that don't rely on permanents too much.


As for our salvage, it seems like 6 Dim Shields, then 2 Steals, 1 Cloak and 3 Vampire Daggers are the way we are headed ( Losing decks shownhere (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,32230.msg439557#msg439557), feel free to take another look and come up with something else).

(Also, we should be getting a few details of both and 's vaults, kev said he would randomise them Monday. I don't know whether anyone was planning to, but I'm pretty sure that the new rule (7.2 Backroom deals and sharing of information) was made for this event card, so that we can't swap this info with other teams)



Anyway, those were a lot of words, good work again for last round, and lets try to better it here! 


Duel phase has started (For deckbuilding and Salvages stuff)

[pervepic]

What to expect? Overall, massive creature control, because they have seen our creature spam. That's what comes to mind first:

  - Certainly Earthquakes. They may use just simlple mono with Dragons or they may use  duo for stalling. Also, a duo with  is possible, if they want to get rid of our Wings that way.

  - if they have Pandebonium and they probably have, then they are gonna use that.

  - Massive cc with Bolts and Freezes, also those Rewinds are possible. Can use  duo and  stall.

  - Rewinds and they want to have permanent control.

  - a stall duo with  with the massive cc.

  - Poison, a duo with  or  (Discords, Antimatters)

  - Pandebonium, also using Antimatter there maybe.  Plagues, Poison.

  - something with  is possible. Or  stall.

[Bloom]

Not to be over aggressive but I'd love to face who ever fire chooses

But thats not important. Decks are :p I'll add a deck idea for a few opponents when I get home tonight.

Against  I think this deck will be perfect.

by Bloom

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We can go out on a limb and say that will use EQ. So this deck will counter an EQ Rush.

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[Legit]

First off, great job Bloom and Bat!

Also, I don't mind what element I play against.

A possible strategy is to place General and Lieutenant against Earth and Entropy, as they both went 2-0 the previous round. Although I doubt our placement really matters in the long run.

vs Earth. Gravity/Earth duo with Gravity Shield, Pulverizer, BB, and some creatures. Possibly EA. I'd recommend taking the fractal firefly/hope deck. If General/Lieutenant plays here, he can upgrade pillars/pends to protect against EQ.

I don't think Earth will use a plain Graboid/RT GotP whatever rush, because any deck with 6 Wings will pretty much win.

[DrunkDestroyer]

The only logic I can think of when choosing opponents is that, if we want more upgrades for a deck/matchup, either I or Pervepic are going to be set up to play it, because 3 or 6 extra upgrades can make the difference.

I guess everyone else can be done randomly as usual, although if the fire slot is open, I'll be sure to put you there Bloom 



Below is just my deck brainstorming.

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This is the only true creatureless deck we have. PC is bad, reflective shields are death. Maybe against  since usually they are more control oriented, and this might just be faster. Depends on what they decide to duo with though.

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Basic Quinted Dragons model (could probably be built much better). This might work against  . Permanents in there are just because they fitted, getting rid of some could make sense. We can also add 6 DimShields.

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Poison and cheap creatures. Might beat out  or 

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This deck has very little reliance on permanents. Fractal Golden Dragons could help to beat out a stall
And yeah, those are the decks I'm thinking we should bring this round, since I'd guess that other teams will stop running permanents and start relying on CC.  (Aether splash needs modification really badly though, just call it a placeholder/concept). Plus more obviously, those just jump out at me.

[Robotocracy]

I'd like to note that out of the winning decks from round 1 that we have recorded, 5 of them used nova and 4 of them used discord.  I think that makes it fairly certain that those cards will be popping up again.

[TuckingFypo]

I'd like to note that out of the winning decks from round 1 that we have recorded, 5 of them used nova and 4 of them used discord.  I think that makes it fairly certain that those cards will be popping up again.

Since in Round 1 we used mostly creature spam and lots of PC, the other teams are more likely to be control oriented this round.

I think that creatureless deck is better off against  or  (assuming Pandebonium or Bonebolt).  Fahrenheit is dead against Bone Walls but Firebolts and UG's are not.  We also have less of a chance to encounter reflective shields.

In the Quinted Dragons deck against  , are the Quints only to counter RT's?  If so, I think it'd be better to use Elite Wyrms instead; they're decently cheap (so not a problem against RT), hit about just as hard, and let us have more card slots instead of the Quints.

I think will use Shriekers/Graboids with EQ and RT?  I'm not seeing Gravity Shield due to our threat of PC.  How about something like this:
Wyrms are upped.

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Basically one of our Air/Fire duo's, without the deflags, a pend split (with maybe split upgrades, if we have any to spare).

I think that we should at least put either the General or Lieutenant against  , since he has more upgrades to counter EQ's (that's what I think, but I still put  down there).  Bloom is fighting against fire.  We should all still be able to choose ourselves but here's a random way to do it if anyone's undecided.  Pick one! 

 

[pervepic]

I'd like to note that out of the winning decks from round 1 that we have recorded, 5 of them used nova and 4 of them used discord.  I think that makes it fairly certain that those cards will be popping up again.

Yep, that's why I suggested to add additional Wings to the Vault to block Discords and Arsenics, but who listens to me  . Anyway, It shouldn't be a very big problem, because we can save them at least if our deck happens to lose.

I agree with TF that creatuless deck against  at least is probably the best. They just have insane amount of cc. They may play Pandebonium, but they may play some sort of Antimatter stall or duo with  as well. I replaced Fogs with Wings there for Weapon blocking purposes:

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About  : I tested that their big stall deck that they used in the previous round loses to our Phoenix deck. But Pandebonium doesn't. So...Purifies are needed. Now there are 2 possibilites: to put them into Graboid deck or to use a Water deck. I added Wings there and removed Dragonflies, because they are not necessary. Also added 1 more Owl in order to diminish deckout possibilities.

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This one is also possible against  and probably it would be even better, but it's possible to take when that take is not necessary in somewhere else:

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Against  and can be played by me or DD. Rewind Vampires if you want  :

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[DrunkDestroyer]

I'm going be putting the decks and players here.
(Drafts)


DrunkDestroyer Vs 

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Maybe throw another fog in there?

Pervepic vs   

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Seems quite reliant on devourers, meaning that in a few games Vamps just sat in hand waiting (having 6 and only being able to play 3-4 in a game). Won 3/4 against AI3 though, with iffy devourer draws in a few of them. (Loss was against 2nd turn Otyugh. Worth noting I beat a Pandemonium Voodoo and Pharaoh Scarab, although, again, these are AI3s)
BatCountry vs 

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Not much to say here. jumpoffduck's Fire bolt calculator is worth taking a look at here: http://jumpoffduck.co.cc/elements/bolt.htm . My antivirus denied me access to here, (same problem I've been having with elementsforum.co. cc, and wiki. co .cc 's - thats extremely irritating). Pretty sure its safe though, helped me out a few times in tourneys (You can work with opponents health, different bolts, upgrades ect, and it considers cost of extra bolts and everything. Not updated to quanta cap though
TuckingFypo vs 

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This deck was built to deal with death, I'd rather use this than the grabbow which goes against anything. I didn't really have a particular reason for putting you here TF, you just came to my mind for this matchup. I might pull this deck out and do some testing against death later.
From this point I don't actually have decks, just match ups.

Bloom vs 

Robotocracy vs 

Legit vs 

plastiqe vs 

(Unless anyone has preferences. I put BatCountry against entropy because I'm fun like that - I really don't mind switching people around. Almost a shame that only one person can play fire though )

Again, these are drafts. Might take a few decks out for testing against last wars decks and successful decks this war (although we don't have a lot of data for that unfortunately)



And if anyone might find this of interest, Numbers from starting vault: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18530.msg251962.html (From War #2, mainly just for curiousity's sake)

[pervepic]

This is a bit funny looking but it is possible to play against  also:

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When going against  I would certainly include all Damselflies and at least 1 pair of Wings. Not sure about Wyrms though.

Just another funny idea against  : if they start to throw Basilisk Bloods, just Rewind your own critter, if they start to throw creatures, Rewind theirs  :

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[BC]

Although I wouldn't mind playing against , I'm not so sure about that deck at all. How does that fare against early discord, or even black holes in the mix? I prefer using novas as entropy counter more than anything else, although that is also bit risky since they can salvage them.

[BC]

I actually like Pervepic's counter against , but would be a painful loss if we do lose because of salvages. If they do play pandebonium though, current deck would work great. I don't have the greatest record of predicting opponent decks so I'm gonna reserve judgment for the moment.