Thunderstorm | Lightning Storm

[Cheesy111]

2 damage for 1 quanta is pretty darned cheap, and I could well see this replacing shockwave in some decks.  I do agree thunderstorm needed some sort of change, though, since it was one of the least used cards in the game.  It could probably stand to have a cost increase, now, though, if we stick with the 2 damage thing.  With rain of fire/firestorm at 7 // 5, and fire being more efficient at damage dealing, a 2 damage version should cost slightly more than 2/3 of that, so maybe something like 5 // 4, or 4 // 3?

Earlier, I'd been thinking it would be cool if thunderstorm did something like bonus damage to airborne creatures or water creatures or something like that; maybe it could do 1 damage to all opposing creatures, then +1 to airborne ones and/or +1 again to water ones, depending where Zanz wanted to take the card.

I had written a long paragraph in refutation, but realized I was rambling and not making my point clear.  The gist of it was, at 5/4 or 4/3 Thunderstorm would be underpowered and rarely used because you're failing to take into account the cost of drawing the card, which hurts less powerful cards more than more powerful cards.

[Kuroaitou]

Earlier, I'd been thinking it would be cool if thunderstorm did something like bonus damage to airborne creatures or water creatures or something like that; maybe it could do 1 damage to all opposing creatures, then +1 to airborne ones and/or +1 again to water ones, depending where Zanz wanted to take the card.

This is what I agree with more. Thunderstorm can still retain its 2/1 cost, but by having it deal double (or triple!) the amount of damage against Airborne and 'aquatic' creatures (fat chance regarding a new passive  ), it can be thematically sound and have a unique benefit to Air (good synergy against airborne creatures while using Wings instead of relying on spiders), without a straight up buff to damage.

Then again, 2 damage is a nice change too. Killing a field of Minor Vampires, Mind Flayers, or Devourers are always nice.

[The_Mormegil]

Throwing this out there:

Creatures killed by new Thunderstorm that were not killed by previous Thunderstorm:
Phase Spider | Phase Recluse
Firefly | Elite Firefly
Devourer
Minor Vampire
Elite Skeleton
Gnome Rider
Fallen Elf
Ruby Dragon
Fire Spirit
Otyugh (effectively killed)
Forest Scorpion | Scorpion
Pegasus
Elite Deja Vu
Artic Squid | Artic Octopus
Chrysaora | Physalia
Mind Flayer

Of course, multiples have much more utility.

[Kuroaitou]

Throwing this out there:

Creatures killed by new Thunderstorm that were not killed by previous Thunderstorm:
Phase Spider | Phase Recluse
Firefly | Elite Firefly
Devourer
Minor Vampire
Elite Skeleton
Gnome Rider
Fallen Elf
Ruby Dragon
Fire Spirit
Otyugh (effectively killed)
Forest Scorpion | Scorpion
Pegasus
Elite Deja Vu
Artic Squid | Artic Octopus
Chrysaora | Physalia
Mind Flayer

Of course, multiples have much more utility.

...you also forgot Maxwell's Demon.

[The_Mormegil]

...you also forgot Maxwell's Demon.

Touchè, unupped has 2 hp.

[Avenger]

All it needs for balance now is +1 cost.

It is now 3/2.

[Vangelios]

I like this buff, now is a really viable card, elements has few cards, then there must have cards useless.
I just think a fair price would be 4 3

[Absol]

I just think a fair price would be 4 3

+1, it's slightly more than half RoF's cost then with two thirds its effect. 3|2 is just too cheap IMO.

[Cheesy111]

I just think a fair price would be 4 3

+1, it's slightly more than half RoF's cost then with two thirds its effect. 3|2 is just too cheap IMO.

The gist of it was, at 5/4 or 4/3 Thunderstorm would be underpowered and rarely used because you're failing to take into account the cost of drawing the card, which hurts less powerful cards more than more powerful cards.

[choongmyoung]

RoF no Thunderstorm, throwing here:

Fallen Druid
Shrodinger's Cat (upped)
Flesh Spider | Flesh Recluse
Mummy | Elite Mummy
Deathstalker (upped)
Otyugh
Antlion
Iridium Warden
Shrieker
Horned Frog | Giant Frog
Leaf Dragon
Forest Specture
Crimson Dragon
Fire Specture
Blue Crawler
Wyrm | Elite Wyrm
Dune Scorpion (upped)
Gargoyle

[Narukta]

My though: if you don't want to increase the thunderstorm's cost, why don't simply make the other AoE cost less (I'm talking especially of Rain of Fire, due to the fact they are similar now). RoF for 7//5  quanta does 3 damage, while Thunderstorm 2 for 3//2 and 7:3>3:2.

[abacus]

Because each additional damage matters more. It's not a 1 to 1 thing. Being able to one shot more creature types is orders of magnitude more useful.