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Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088260#msg1088260
« on: July 22, 2013, 12:08:10 am »
NAME:
Nature's Word
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
5 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your :life creatures get an attack bonus double as their current HP for 1 turn.
Next turn all their HP will be 1.
NAME:
Nature's Command
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your :life creatures get an attack bonus double as their current HP for 1 turn.
Next turn all their HP will be 1.

ART:
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IDEA:
Submachine
NOTES:
Third Edition. It's not an OTK card anymore, but it's more powerful than ever. Grants a significant bonus for the player if his field is filled with :life creatures.
SERIES:
nope.

Spoiler for Hidden:
Original Idea:
NAME:
Nature's Word
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
6 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your :life creatures get +2|+0 for 1 turn.
NAME:
Nature's Command
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
6 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Your :life creatures get +3|-2 for 1 turn.

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NOTES:
Something like Sky Blitz, but less quanta consuming. Suitable for monolife. Synergy with Mitosis.
Upgraded card punishes life cards for 2 HP damage, but that can only kill rustlers and unbuffed forest spirits.
This is the 'Idea' state, it's as imbalanced as it can be. Possible changes:
change the buff, change the cost, change affected creatures, change from temporary effect to permanent effect but with same/other buff, etc.
SERIES:

« Last Edit: August 27, 2013, 03:17:41 am by russianspy1234 »
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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088341#msg1088341
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2013, 12:58:35 pm »
Upped doesn't really need the health reduction, just give it a slight cost increase...

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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088363#msg1088363
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2013, 02:56:10 pm »
Something like this?



 True, the temporary -2 HP is too situational to be useful, so it's a good part to cut out.
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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088407#msg1088407
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2013, 09:12:08 pm »
^ Yeah.

While it is true that this will double the attack of horned frogs and the like, you made it cost almost as much as sky blitz, while it only increases ~3 attack. That's like arguing that a x5 attack card would be balanced because people would use it on photons.

You can't exactly make a OTK out of cockatrices.

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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088419#msg1088419
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2013, 10:24:27 pm »
^ Yeah.

While it is true that this will double the attack of horned frogs and the like, you made it cost almost as much as sky blitz, while it only increases ~3 attack. That's like arguing that a x5 attack card would be balanced because people would use it on photons.

You can't exactly make a OTK out of cockatrices.

So you're trying to say that the +3 should be increased to +5 with the same cost?
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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088495#msg1088495
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2013, 12:59:43 pm »
+5 seems pretty balanced...

I tried giving :life a similar buff with giving everyone adrenaline for one turn, but people didn't really think how you can't OTK with horned frogs.

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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088497#msg1088497
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2013, 01:14:45 pm »
+5 seems pretty balanced...

I tried giving :life a similar buff with giving everyone adrenaline for one turn, but people didn't really think how you can't OTK with horned frogs.

I don't think it would be an OTK card, it's more like a finisher. For the mass adrenaline card you said, you need at least 9 (8,33) horned frogs to deal 100+ damage. For my card, with the +3|+0 bonus 17 (16,66) frogs, with the +5|+0 bonus 13 (12,5) frogs are needed for 100+ damage in one turn.
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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088506#msg1088506
« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2013, 02:40:36 pm »
I think +3|0 is OK for the upped version, +5|0 would be too much.that would effectively double upped frogs and cockatrice attack, so it would be like a sky-blitz but without the full quanta draw, thus OP.

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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088536#msg1088536
« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2013, 04:58:47 pm »
^ That is the kind of talk that showed up on my mass adrenaline page! It is not a sky blitz. Sky blitz is used with dragons and such for an OTK, or at least ~50 damage. I hate to tell you but a frog will not deal ~50 damage.

Let me put it like this: Don't think of it as a multiplier. Think of it additively. Let's say sky blitz is used on a bunch of dragons with 10 attack in which case it is +10|+0 for a turn on each creature you have.

Meanwhile this card, with +5|+0 will just give, well, +5|+0. So sky blitz is not comparable to this card at all.

An card that deals 5 damage to the opponent is worth 1 quanta (not 2, since it cannot target creatures as Lightning can). That means sky blitz is twice as good as this card, therefore warranting the high cost and quanta draw.

This card will be fine with +5|+0.

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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1088786#msg1088786
« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2013, 02:31:42 am »
kewl idea..reminds me of blitz though
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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1089030#msg1089030
« Reply #10 on: July 26, 2013, 03:18:30 pm »
Despite this card has many similarities with Sky Blitz, it also has just as many differences as similarities.
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Re: Nature's Word | Nature's Command https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50454.msg1089398#msg1089398
« Reply #11 on: July 28, 2013, 02:44:44 pm »
It's a bit blunt in my opinion, to be honest.

Balance wise, the upped version is not stronger than the unupped one at the moment, which should be changed.

 

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