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Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060076#msg1060076
« on: April 15, 2013, 12:57:47 pm »
NAME:
Chromatic Aberration
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
3 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Creature skills cost mark quanta for 2 turns.
NAME:
Chromatic Aberration
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
2 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Creature skills cost mark quanta for 2 turns.

ART:
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NOTES:
The main idea here is to facilitate synergies between elements.
I'm not 100% sure if the duration is good, or how to balance this, so I'd like to hear how you would use it. If you don't think it is interesting, what changes would make you change your mind?

Possible modifications I thought:
-Make the skill cost fused ( :underworld instead of mark quanta)
-Make this a permanent

(it was partially inspired by Monochrome Lens | Monochrome Lens, but I think it is way less abusable)

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NAME:
Chromatic Aberration
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
5
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Creature skills cost mark quanta for 2 turns.
NAME:
Chromatic Aberration
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
3
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Creature skills cost mark quanta for 2 turns.

ART:
andretimpa (underworld mark by ?)
IDEA:
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060078#msg1060078
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2013, 01:28:42 pm »
I was expecting an entropy card that changes all creatures' element and/or ability cost in a random one. (think about it, it might be better)

About the card: I don't really like the idea of letting you play a mono, that's why SoR was changed to time element (I think).

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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060089#msg1060089
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2013, 02:40:48 pm »
I would use it in a mono water deck.
I suspect something like this should be tied to an element because the effect seems too special to be a generic effect. Unfortunately this reduces it ability to do your intended goal. (Reduces not eliminates)
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060103#msg1060103
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2013, 03:32:34 pm »
I would use it in a mono water deck.
I suspect something like this should be tied to an element because the effect seems too special to be a generic effect. Unfortunately this reduces it ability to do your intended goal. (Reduces not eliminates)

That was my first idea,too. This would open a new kind of semi-rainbow. Monodeck with splashed in monsters from another element seems pretty cool.
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060110#msg1060110
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2013, 03:56:11 pm »
I was expecting an entropy card that changes all creatures' element and/or ability cost in a random one. (think about it, it might be better)

I think the main use for this effect would be trolling your opponent. Might not be a bad idea indeed, it would be kinda like a mass lobo that is ineffective against rainbows (I feel it would need a duration to keep it from being too strong)

About the card: I don't really like the idea of letting you play a mono, that's why SoR was changed to time element (I think).

This is the main reason why the effect has a duration (the costs themselves would remain the same, but you would be using your mark to fuel it. After 2 turns all returns to normal)

I would use it in a mono water deck.
I suspect something like this should be tied to an element because the effect seems too special to be a generic effect. Unfortunately this reduces it ability to do your intended goal. (Reduces not eliminates)

Well, from a thematic point of view I think it fits :entropy, but in most cases a supernova would fit the bill.

That was my first idea,too. This would open a new kind of semi-rainbow. Monodeck with splashed in monsters from another element seems pretty cool.

Only the skills are paid of mark. Drake's original idea was doing fused costs (random element, but not random quanta) for creatures and for cards played by hand.

I think I'm approaching this the wrong way. I'll probably keep this name and art but do something completely different (using iancudorinmarian's idea as a starting point) and think of another way to make synergies easier to use.
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060113#msg1060113
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2013, 04:09:27 pm »
I think :water , :entropy , and perhaps :light would make the best candidates if you move it into an element.

I don't think light would get a lot of utility out of it, but it makes thematic sense.

Water and entropy would definitely get very good usage out of it.

Water has a lot of creatures that could benefit from it.

Entropy would also love to have this so it could make use of fallen druid and improved mutation without needing quantum pillars.

For an interesting twist, you could add the lines "Casting cost must be paid with mark quanta."

If you can think of a good name for that, it could open up a sort of "pseudo-quanta". I.e. type other cards that use whatever quanta your mark is...
That could open up some very interesting design avenues.
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060115#msg1060115
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2013, 04:23:18 pm »
That was my first idea,too. This would open a new kind of semi-rainbow. Monodeck with splashed in monsters from another element seems pretty cool.

Only the skills are paid of mark. Drake's original idea was doing fused costs (random element, but not random quanta) for creatures and for cards played by hand.

It seems I lost my reading skills for a moment xD Or I was brain afk. Forget what I said.

Nevertheless I like the card. Some Elements would benefit more then others. I will think some more about it before posting stupid things again. =P
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060176#msg1060176
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2013, 08:41:53 pm »
I think I'm approaching this the wrong way. I'll probably keep this name and art but do something completely different (using iancudorinmarian's idea as a starting point) and think of another way to make synergies easier to use.
I think this idea has potential. It would be sad to discard it.
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060224#msg1060224
« Reply #8 on: April 16, 2013, 12:41:33 am »
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I think I'm approaching this the wrong way. I'll probably keep this name and art but do something completely different (using iancudorinmarian's idea as a starting point) and think of another way to make synergies easier to use.
I think this idea has potential. It would be sad to discard it.

Yeah, I'll go with changing it to a :entropy card and borrow ian's idea in another card. I don't know if the duration is UP due to the possibility of using a Supernova instead.

Entropy would also love to have this so it could make use of fallen druid and improved mutation without needing quantum pillars.

hadn't thought about that. It can make egg decks easier to work (requiring a duo instead of a kinda-rainbow or reliant in SoR)

For an interesting twist, you could add the lines "Casting cost must be paid with mark quanta."

If you can think of a good name for that, it could open up a sort of "pseudo-quanta". I.e. type other cards that use whatever quanta your mark is...
That could open up some very interesting design avenues.

I'm actually surprised this has not been done before. I think 'mark' is as good a name as any other for this pseudo-quanta (and it's easy to understand). Maybe we could use an empty mark to symbolize it?
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060225#msg1060225
« Reply #9 on: April 16, 2013, 12:42:27 am »
I agree with OldTrees, this is a very nice concept.

I think this could be one of the most useful type Other cards in the game, next to quantum pillars.

Even an element specific card, it would still be quite useful. Particularly under water or entropy which very often find themselves in need of off element quanta to power creature skills.



Yeah, I'll go with changing it to a :entropy card and borrow ian's idea in another card. I don't know if the duration is UP due to the possibility of using a Supernova instead.

Entropy would also love to have this so it could make use of fallen druid and improved mutation without needing quantum pillars.

hadn't thought about that. It can make egg decks easier to work (requiring a duo instead of a kinda-rainbow or reliant in SoR)

For an interesting twist, you could add the lines "Casting cost must be paid with mark quanta."

If you can think of a good name for that, it could open up a sort of "pseudo-quanta". I.e. type other cards that use whatever quanta your mark is...
That could open up some very interesting design avenues.

I'm actually surprised this has not been done before. I think 'mark' is as good a name as any other for this pseudo-quanta (and it's easy to understand). Maybe we could use an empty mark to symbolize it?

I would actually really love to get my hands on a card like this one to put into an Egg / Improved Mutation deck. It would free up SoR for use with Egg and might help make the deck a good deal more useful.

A symbol to used to represent mark quanta in card design would be very useful I think... Maybe something like rainbow, but with an M inside?
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060239#msg1060239
« Reply #10 on: April 16, 2013, 01:38:02 am »
I agree with OldTrees, this is a very nice concept.

I think this could be one of the most useful type Other cards in the game, next to quantum pillars.

Even an element specific card, it would still be quite useful. Particularly under water or entropy which very often find themselves in need of off element quanta to power creature skills.

I would actually really love to get my hands on a card like this one to put into an Egg / Improved Mutation deck. It would free up SoR for use with Egg and might help make the deck a good deal more useful.

I went with an in element cost, because I felt it gave too much power to monos, but that it would be alright in a duo. I chose :entropy because of its traditional connection to rainbows. As you said it still would have plenty of uses.

A symbol to used to represent mark quanta in card design would be very useful I think... Maybe something like rainbow, but with an M inside?

I think it would be too similar to  :rainbow (I actually barely notice the void sign in it)
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Re: Chromatic Aberration | Chromatic Aberration https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=48501.msg1060242#msg1060242
« Reply #11 on: April 16, 2013, 01:45:11 am »
I agree with OldTrees, this is a very nice concept.

I think this could be one of the most useful type Other cards in the game, next to quantum pillars.

Even an element specific card, it would still be quite useful. Particularly under water or entropy which very often find themselves in need of off element quanta to power creature skills.

I would actually really love to get my hands on a card like this one to put into an Egg / Improved Mutation deck. It would free up SoR for use with Egg and might help make the deck a good deal more useful.

I went with an in element cost, because I felt it gave too much power to monos, but that it would be alright in a duo. I chose :entropy because of its traditional connection to rainbows. As you said it still would have plenty of uses.

A symbol to used to represent mark quanta in card design would be very useful I think... Maybe something like rainbow, but with an M inside?

I think it would be too similar to  :rainbow (I actually barely notice the void sign in it)
This should work out pretty well I think, since :entropy will certainly see a lot of use from it due to their fallen druid and improved mutation spells.

I think you may be able to pull the cost down even a little more and it would still be ok. Its a 2 turn duration spell effect, so I think making it splashable off of a mark wouldn't be too OP.

By the way, I love the art on the card too!

I think its basically ready for the polls at this point. In my opinion at least.

I don't have many :entropy cards in crucible so I'll be sure to keep an eye out so I can give it my vote.
« Last Edit: April 16, 2013, 01:47:35 am by OdinVanguard »
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