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Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026370#msg1026370
« on: December 28, 2012, 05:22:04 pm »
NAME:
Strange Push
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
5 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains damage reduction equal to its attack.
Cancels gravity pull.
NAME:
Strange Force
ELEMENT:
Entropy
COST:
4 :entropy
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains damage reduction equal to its attack.
Cancels gravity pull.

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NOTES:
Inversely gravity pull cancels this.
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« Last Edit: December 28, 2012, 07:56:22 pm by EmeraldTiger »
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Re: Magnetic Push | Magnetic Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026398#msg1026398
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2012, 07:55:50 pm »
So what isn't affected by damage reduction?
Seems thematically weird that it's ATK and not HP, though I guess it makes it more balanced.

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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026400#msg1026400
« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2012, 07:57:50 pm »
Modified it to entropy due the weirdness.
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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026401#msg1026401
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2012, 08:00:10 pm »
I could guess that :entropy would be put on the creature much like :gravity is when it has Gravity Pull?
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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026404#msg1026404
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2012, 08:02:09 pm »
Again, what exactly does damage reduction prevent? I see this as a more expensive quintessence.

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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026407#msg1026407
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2012, 08:13:42 pm »
The thought was to create an inverse of .
Edit:  I went with attack because that is most often the lower number.
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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026409#msg1026409
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2012, 08:22:33 pm »
Gravity and Earth cards aside, you can't really name any widely-used cards with more HP than ATK...

And again, how is this card different from quintessence? If it's weaker, why does it cost more?

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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026424#msg1026424
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2012, 08:54:01 pm »
This does not prevent targeting, it just gives a number a player must get over to do any damage. So would a cost = to gravity pull be about right?
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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026425#msg1026425
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2012, 09:00:31 pm »
This does not prevent targeting, it just gives a number a player must get over to do any damage. So would a cost = to gravity pull be about right?

I know; I'm asking for the practical cases.
For example, compare Ruby Dragon + Strange Push with Ruby Dragon + Quintessence.
Because the opponent can deal over 15 damage in one spell (bolts), and because the opponent could infect and lobotomize it, it could be weaker than Quintessence.
However, because you can target a Ruby Dragon with no ability, if this costs less than Quintessence, then this combo itself may very well make Strange Push situationally OP.

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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026429#msg1026429
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2012, 09:13:00 pm »
Maybe I need a Cap on the DR.
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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026430#msg1026430
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2012, 09:25:54 pm »
Maybe I need a Cap on the DR.
Agreed. Given that 3 is pretty average, I'd go with that for DR.
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Re: Strange Push | Strange Force https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=45466.msg1026431#msg1026431
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2012, 09:31:50 pm »
Maybe making the DR not being linear something like

"Target creature gains damage reduction. Creatures with greater attack receive greater reduction. Cancels gravity pull."

There would be some formula behind the scenes that determines how much the reduction is.
For example, the square root of the attack, rounded up would yield the following table:

attack
reduction
0
0
1
1
2 to 4
2
5 to 9
3
10 to 16
4
17 to 25
5

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