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Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018052#msg1018052
« on: November 27, 2012, 03:29:33 pm »
NAME:
Vitamin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains +0|+2. Creature gains Immunity.
(100% protection then degrades 20% each round)
NAME:
Enhanced Vitamin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
2 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains +0|+3. Creature gains Immunity.
(100% protection then degrades 20% each round)

ART:
EmeraldTiger
IDEA:
EmeraldTiger
NOTES:
For one round it will be like a quint.
Each additional round is still much like quint, except the protection is fading.
It will degrade at the beginning of the player's next turn that played this spell. As long as this this is influencing the creature if a quint is successfully played the protection will again begin to fade next turn.
When and/or if the % reaches 0 Immunity will no longer be affecting the creature.
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Spoiler for Previous:
Spoiler for Version3:
NAME:
Vitamin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains +0|+2. Creature gains Immunity.
(100% protection then degrades 10% each round)

NAME:
Enhanced Vitamin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains +0|+3. Creature gains Immunity.
(100% protection then degrades 10% each round)


ART:
EmeraldTiger
IDEA:
EmeraldTiger
NOTES:
For one round it will be like a quint.
Each additional round is still much like quint, except the protection is fading.
It will degrade at the beginning of the player's next turn that played this spell. As long as this this is influencing the creature if a quint is successfully played the protection will again begin to fade next turn.
When and/or if the % reaches 0 Immunity will no longer be affecting the creature.
SERIES:

Spoiler for Version2:
NAME:
Vitamin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains +0|+2. Creature gains Immunity.
(100% protection then degrades 10% each round)
NAME:
Enhanced Vitamin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains +0|+3. Creature gains Immunity.
(100% protection then degrades 5% each round)

ART:
EmeraldTiger
IDEA:
EmeraldTiger
NOTES:
For one round it will be like a quint.
It will degrade at the beginning of the player's next turn that played this spell. As long as this this is influencing the creature if a quint is successfully played the protection will again begin to fade next turn.
When and/or if the % reaches 0 Immunity will no longer be affecting the creature.
SERIES:


Spoiler for Version1:
NAME:
Vitamin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains +0|+2 and is resisitant to status changes.
NAME:
Enhanced Vitamin
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:

TEXT:
Target creature gains +0|+3 and is resisitant to status changes.

ART:
EmeraldTiger
IDEA:
EmeraldTiger
NOTES:
I know notes will be needed. Please help refine this Idea, TY.
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018056#msg1018056
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2012, 04:14:38 pm »
Mhhh... i think it costs too much, since it doesn't do much for killing creature.
Does it protect from Lobotomy? AntiMatter? Aflatoxin?

EDIT: on a second thought, i think it lacks some... flavour, i think.
Creature enhancements are seldom used because if you lose the creature you lose 2 cards, so this card has to really add protection.
Protection from spells? This way only Otys, shields and Owl's Eyes could kill it.
I don't know, just saying.
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018058#msg1018058
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2012, 04:18:14 pm »
Did we have a list of in game statuses anywhere?
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018063#msg1018063
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2012, 04:41:57 pm »
Well, technically alive you're in the state of living, which you could call a status :p
funny how this is in life with adrenaline - you use adrenaline first, then this, and vwala! You have a good hp frog on drugs. That is, assuming using adrenaline counts as a status change. You could also count this crd as near irreducible hp, if you count losing hp a status change.
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018065#msg1018065
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2012, 04:47:41 pm »
Statuses = adrenaline, momentum, gravity pull, immortality, poison, aflatoxin, etc.
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018066#msg1018066
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 04:49:15 pm »
Statuses = adrenaline, momentum, gravity pull, immortality, poison, aflatoxin, etc.
With that, the most this really does is protect mono life rush from pandemonium.
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018068#msg1018068
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 05:01:54 pm »
I was thinking that 15% miss chance of a status(stack-able).
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018073#msg1018073
« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2012, 05:54:51 pm »
For +0|+2 and 15% status resist chance, 4 :life seems a bit pricey to me... A cost of 2 or 3 :life might be better or maybe a slightly higher resist chance.
I like the idea overall though. It provides some much needed anti-CC capability to the :life element without being a hard counter and it brings a relatively unique mechanic (resistance is similar to the SoFe effect, but a little more subdued since it only applies to status changes here).

Game statuses I can think of so far:
-Poison
--Alflatoxin
-Purity (opposite of poison, from purify spell)
-Stun
-Delay
-Freeze
-Adrenaline
-Momentum
-Immaterial (full, temporary)
--"Psychic" Immaterial (SoW buff - deals spell damage)
-Diving (from Sky Blitz)
-Mutant
-Readiness (extra skill use from SoR)
-Gravity Pull
-Lobotomized (not shown, but the effect seems to be present as evident by the 1 turn delay when a lobo'd creature is given a new skill)
-Invisible (may be more of a field effect than individual though)
-SoFe effect (chance to dodge plus chance to deal 2x damage and shield bypass)
-SoP effect (again, this may fall more under field effects)
-Drowning (field effect from flood / innundation)
-Butterfly effect & Liquid Shadow (slightly different from Lobo since they replace the skill and don't remove momentum)
-Antimatter
-Stasis (will not attack - field like effect from sundial)
-Bioluminescent
-Burrowed
-Acceleration / overdrive
-Skull shield auto-kill
-Shockwave / freeze  auto-kill

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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018118#msg1018118
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 10:23:09 pm »
So, it is agreed that cost should be 3 :lifeun|2 :lifeup?
Is the list Odin provided correct?
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018121#msg1018121
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2012, 10:34:21 pm »
Pretty much Odin's list, but I would not include diving, Readiness, lobotomy, SoFr, SoPa, drowning, BE, LS, antimatter, sundial, bioluminescence, accel, overdrive, or shockwave/freeze auto-kill.

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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018128#msg1018128
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2012, 11:07:32 pm »
Odin's list does exceed the list of status effects.
Accurate list of status effects: Immaterial, Wisdom, Infection, Alfatoxin, Burrowed, Delay, Gravity Pull, Momentum, Adrenaline, Purify and Freeze.

Warden delays rather than stun.
Diving is a temporary buff to "Current Attack".
Mutant is a passive ability.
Readiness is an instantaneous effect not a continuous effect.
The lobotomy side effect does exist but seems to be a return of summoning sickness.
Cloak, Shard of Freedom, Shard of Patience and Sundial are effects of those cards not status effects given to the creatures. (They are removed when the source disappears.)
The stat bonus from Shard of Patience is on the creature but is a change in the stat value rather than an additional effect.
Antimatter is a permanent change to the "Current Attack" variable
Bioluminescent is an active ability.
Acceleration is permanent changes to the stat values
Auto kills are kills not status effects

This card is weak. As in weaker than Plate Armor. The second effect is too situational to consider.
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Re: Vitamin | Enhanced Vitamin https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44865.msg1018133#msg1018133
« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2012, 11:21:22 pm »
The card's pirce should be adjusted to the statuses it prevents from being changed. Therefore a final list is required. Without that, debating about costs is pointless ;)

Adrenaline can't be changed anyway, so this one hasn't to be considered at all (except that it might not be possible to be applied if vited). An interesting factor would be immunity to Lobotomization. Keeping in mind that it's a vit pill, I think the effects blocked can be:

Frozen
Poison
Aflatox
 and being Lobotomized (which is of course affecting certain statuses and abilities)

Delayed doesnt fit to be blocked by Vitamin imo, but Stasis from Sundial could be ignored on the other hand - that would give the card a certain power and extend the range of opportunities.
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