Ancient Wisdom | Ancient Wisdom

[russianspy1234]

NAME: Ancient Wisdom ELEMENT: Time COST: 4 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: :Target creature deals spell damage for the next two turns.	NAME: Ancient Wisdom ELEMENT: Time COST: 4 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: :Target creature deals spell damage for the next three turns.

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[UndeadSpider1990]

Interesting. At first glance I want to say that Momentum shames this, but then I think about those reflect shields and how this would be a major buff to them and might result in them being played a lot more often. With that in mind, I'm inclined to compare it to antimatter. It's almost unfairly cheaper, yet it has the interesting weakness of being a permanent.

Um, I like the puzzle you've given us! So far I'm thinking it's probably still too cheap. I'd happily put 5 of these in a deck, knowing that they could be used either on the enemy aginst my reflective shield, or on my own creatures in case they have a shield themselves. I'd be fairly confident I could suck their PC dry as long as these are so affordable.

Referring to the old version.

[russianspy1234]

Hmmm i hadnt thought about momentum when making this, i was going off shard of wisdom. What if i added a "dropping" mechanic where if the creature is killed, this returns to your hand?

[UndeadSpider1990]

It seems natural to me that this would expire like a sundial if the creature is killed. I think it is its own weakness, if you intend to use it as momentum. It is more expensive, doesn't give a buff and comes with a risk that the opponent will pull a reflective shield.

[choongmyoung]

Little complicated, but if you use this as momentum, it should cost equal or less then momentum, which means 1|2 cost is proper.
But if you use this as CC with Reflective Shield, it should cost more 'cause basically it's like antimatter.
Consider: you only need one shield, but you can't equip other shields.
So I think 4|3 cost is natural.

btw I don't see why this is in .
Adding "Ancient" in front of any random noun in order to make it in do not make a good theme.

[furballdn]

Can you target something and then place a permanent? I am not sure if this is doable by the code.

How does this fit into ?

If used as shield bypass, this is worth than momentum, and momentum is 2|1 cost with an additional +1/+1 stat boost without having harm of reflect

If this is used purely for defense this is situational and likely a forced combo.

[russianspy1234]

Little complicated, but if you use this as momentum, it should cost equal or less then momentum, which means 1|2 cost is proper.
But if you use this as CC with Reflective Shield, it should cost more 'cause basically it's like antimatter.
Consider: you only need one shield, but you can't equip other shields.
So I think 4|3 cost is natural.

btw I don't see why this is in .
Adding "Ancient" in front of any random noun in order to make it in do not make a good theme.

Her that's true, and I am guilty of having done that before...  With this though, my train of thought was that immortal creatures would likely be very old, and giving them this ability is done with shard of wisdom, so the magic to do so is likely almost lost to modern day elementals, and as such, doing so would be something "ancient" brought here via time travel.  not the best justification, but more than just a random reskin with the word ancient.

Can you target something and then place a permanent? I am not sure if this is doable by the code.

How does this fit into ?

If used as shield bypass, this is worth than momentum, and momentum is 2|1 cost with an additional +1/+1 stat boost without having harm of reflect

If this is used purely for defense this is situational and likely a forced combo.

hmmm, that little thematic quirk might be more trouble than it's worth...
maybe i could make it give spell damage and a new skill?

[furballdn]

Make sure that if you're designing something new whether or not it's effect is "Do X but also Y" or "Do X and Y"

Are you focusing on spell damage? Giving a new ability? Both? Which concept are you trying to make? Why?

[russianspy1234]

Make sure that if you're designing something new whether or not it's effect is "Do X but also Y" or "Do X and Y"

Are you focusing on spell damage? Giving a new ability? Both? Which concept are you trying to make? Why?

well the concept is that its a really old magic book, filled with magic most elementals/creatures today havent seen, so it gives them access  to uniqueish spells.

[OdinVanguard]

Hmmm, I do like the added versatility this gives to reflect shields. I also like that it would promote more spell damage based mechanics in the future. The issue I see here is that it may still end up overshadowing the shard itself. Having permanent destruction end the effect is an interesting balancing method to balance it, though it might be a little hard to track. What about making it use an activated ability that provides one or two turns of spell damage buff?

[russianspy1234]

Hmmm, I do like the added versatility this gives to reflect shields. I also like that it would promote more spell damage based mechanics in the future. The issue I see here is that it may still end up overshadowing the shard itself. Having permanent destruction end the effect is an interesting balancing method to balance it, though it might be a little hard to track. What about making it use an activated ability that provides one or two turns of spell damage buff?

interesting... removes some of the novelty but that's not a big deal.  i guess the activation cost would make most sense in ?I worry a bit that it might make it too strong since it removes the weakness against reflect shields, but given the comparisson with momentum that shouldnt be a big deal.

[moomoose]

a few thoughts- zanz has probably already considered the idea, considering the shard is essentially the same thing with a few balancing changes.  also, spell damage creatures is in aethers domain. i would suggest altering the card to make it novel and including aether in some form, either in incorporating aether quanta or existing aether cards.