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Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1007638#msg1007638
« on: October 14, 2012, 05:56:14 am »
NAME:
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TEXT:
Burrowed creatures deal double damage.
Absorb :earth per turn.
NAME:
Antaeus's Rage
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Earth
COST:
2 :earth
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Permanent
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TEXT:
Burrowed creatures deal double damage.
Absorb :earth per turn.

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Mechanics:
A burrowed creature deals double damage but nothing else. A 3 burrowed creature will attack as if it had 6 atk. Essentially this buffs burrow by changing burrow into an ability that only protects the creature, removing the attack penalty.

Argument for balance with Graboid:
Immortal 4atk creature is worth 6 :underworld.
This card is worth 3 :underworld + 2 cards

When playing with X numbers of Graboid:
3 :underworld + 3 X :underworld + (2+X) cards = 4X immortal atk = 6 X :underworld

1 card = 2 :underworld
3 :underworld + 3 X :underworld + 4 :underworld + 2 X :underworld = 7 :underworld + 5 X :underworld

7 :underworld + 5 X :underworld = 6 X :underworld
X = 5 :underworld

In other words, you need at least 6 Graboids with this card to make this equal to a swarm of 4atk immortals, and Graboid cannot be targetted with fractal/mitosis

Thematics:
Antaeus was a Greek half-giant who got his powers from the earth. Here, burrowed creatures are receiving nutrients, energy, and power from the earth, which is enabling them to deal more damage when they attack.
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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1007648#msg1007648
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2012, 06:07:49 am »
It should affect all creatures on the field including your opponent's.
Not sure about how much it should cost.
Shriekers, Gravoids, Antlions, Pests.
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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1007649#msg1007649
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2012, 06:10:31 am »
It should affect all creatures on the field including your opponent's.
Not sure about how much it should cost.
Shriekers, Gravoids, Antlions, Pests.
Affecting all creatures would weaken this quite a bit. Thematically, either only Antaeus blesses you or only your creatures are smart enough to make use of the energy of the earth to deal more damage.
I have the cost at 2 cards + 3|2 :earth right now.

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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1007650#msg1007650
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2012, 06:15:36 am »
It should affect all creatures on the field including your opponent's.
Not sure about how much it should cost.
Shriekers, Gravoids, Antlions, Pests.
Affecting all creatures would weaken this quite a bit. Thematically, either only Antaeus blesses you or only your creatures are smart enough to make use of the energy of the earth to deal more damage.
I have the cost at 2 cards + 3|2 :earth right now.
NightmareEdit:Nightfall, Flooding affects opponent's field, but it's not that big problem.
Your opponent will probably not carry burrowing creatures.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 07:08:42 am by choongmyoung »
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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1007652#msg1007652
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 06:20:17 am »
It should affect all creatures on the field including your opponent's.
Not sure about how much it should cost.
Shriekers, Gravoids, Antlions, Pests.
Affecting all creatures would weaken this quite a bit. Thematically, either only Antaeus blesses you or only your creatures are smart enough to make use of the energy of the earth to deal more damage.
I have the cost at 2 cards + 3|2 :earth right now.
Nightmare, Flooding affects opponent's field, but it's not that big problem.
Your opponent will probably not carry burrowing creatures.
I disagree. See any Graboid Novabow that exists on this forum.
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 06:22:36 am by Zblader »

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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1007654#msg1007654
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2012, 06:37:57 am »
It should affect all creatures on the field including your opponent's.
Not sure about how much it should cost.
Shriekers, Gravoids, Antlions, Pests.
Affecting all creatures would weaken this quite a bit. Thematically, either only Antaeus blesses you or only your creatures are smart enough to make use of the energy of the earth to deal more damage.
I have the cost at 2 cards + 3|2 :earth right now.
Nightmare, Flooding affects opponent's field, but it's not that big problem.
Your opponent will probably not carry burrowing creatures.
Night falls over the whole field. Flooding floods the entire field. Only your creatures get the benefit of this since it was you who summoned and are paying quanta to Antaeus.

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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1018024#msg1018024
« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2012, 09:44:33 am »
I find this card trully OP but not because of Graboid; it is Shrieker who benefits the most. Play Shrieker and if it is not CCed, then burrow it to have an 8 or 10 immortal hitter. Too much, don't you think? And I haven't even mentioned the buffs a Shrieker can take before it becomes burrowed (Momentum, Adrenaline, Blessing etc.)!
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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1018060#msg1018060
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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1018064#msg1018064
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2012, 04:46:24 pm »
I find this card trully OP but not because of Graboid; it is Shrieker who benefits the most. Play Shrieker and if it is not CCed, then burrow it to have an 8 or 10 immortal hitter. Too much, don't you think? And I haven't even mentioned the buffs a Shrieker can take before it becomes burrowed (Momentum, Adrenaline, Blessing etc.)!
So? Shrieker costs 8 :earth, + 3|2 :earth for this card. Quint costs 4|3. You can use quint immediately, but this card has your shrieked wait a turn before burrowing. It's not that OP.
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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1018090#msg1018090
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2012, 07:20:52 pm »
I find this card trully OP but not because of Graboid; it is Shrieker who benefits the most. Play Shrieker and if it is not CCed, then burrow it to have an 8 or 10 immortal hitter. Too much, don't you think? And I haven't even mentioned the buffs a Shrieker can take before it becomes burrowed (Momentum, Adrenaline, Blessing etc.)!
So? Shrieker costs 8 :earth, + 3|2 :earth for this card. Quint costs 4|3. You can use quint immediately, but this card has your shrieked wait a turn before burrowing. It's not that OP.

although quint is from another element, wich makes it less powerful when compared to this, but i agree that this card doesnt seem that OP: at best it might gives us a new reason to run antlions or even burrow devourers, given they have buffs like nightfall

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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1018285#msg1018285
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2012, 08:19:32 am »
@ Ruta & Poker Alho:
1) Quintessence is an off-element buff of a single creature.
2) Antaeu's Rage is a Nighfall-like card & in-element & buffs EVERY Shrieker you play.
3) Shrieker doesn't cost 8 :earth if played via Graboid.
4) Burrow is a more flexible mechanic than immortality. Immortal creatures can't be buffed, except for SoW. Burrowed creatures can be buffed, then burrowed, then be un-burrowed to be buffed again or whatever.
5) There are already good reasons to burrow Devourers|Pests. What is more irritating than a pack of Devourers immune to CC?

Seriously guys, this card is totally broken & I am not biased at all. This won't buff Antlions; it will buff Graboid-Shrieker decks instead and you know it. Just be honest here with yourselves...
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Re: Antaeus's Rage | Antaeus's Rage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=44067.msg1018399#msg1018399
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2012, 08:05:29 pm »
@ Ruta & Poker Alho:
1) Quintessence is an off-element buff of a single creature.
2) Antaeu's Rage is a Nighfall-like card & in-element & buffs EVERY Shrieker you play.
3) Shrieker doesn't cost 8 :earth if played via Graboid.
4) Burrow is a more flexible mechanic than immortality. Immortal creatures can't be buffed, except for SoW. Burrowed creatures can be buffed, then burrowed, then be un-burrowed to be buffed again or whatever.
5) There are already good reasons to burrow Devourers|Pests. What is more irritating than a pack of Devourers immune to CC?

Seriously guys, this card is totally broken & I am not biased at all. This won't buff Antlions; it will buff Graboid-Shrieker decks instead and you know it. Just be honest here with yourselves...

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2) every shrieker you have burrowed, different stuff. they still are vulnerable when they evolve from graboids or played from hand

4) you may buff a shrieker more easily than an immortal creature, but if you unburrow it, its gonna stay that way until the next turn, making it vulnerable to CC once more

5) reasons? the only GOOD reason i know of is to combine SoP with devourers for a decent stall-breaker deck, usually running wardens as well

I really dont see how this card is that OP. It wont make graboid/shreiker rush any faster imo (unless you decide not to evolve your graboids lol, but thats not how i play shreiker rush), at best you can make a rush with the same speed and some CC resistance instead of running quicksands or BBs for support

 

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