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Clock | Chronometer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43840.msg1004572#msg1004572
« on: October 02, 2012, 08:32:59 pm »
    NAME:
    Clock
    ELEMENT:
    Time
    COST:
    6 :time
    TYPE:
    Permanent
    ATK|HP:

    TEXT:
    :time : Tick Tock
    Target creature ages one turn and gains +1 | -1. Can be used 3 times per turn.
    NAME:
    Chronometer
    ELEMENT:
    Time
    COST:
    6 :time
    TYPE:
    Permanent
    ATK|HP:

    TEXT:
    :time : Tick Tock
    Target creature ages one turn and gains +2 | -2. Can be used 2 times per turn.

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    How does this synergise with Puffer Fish (proposed)?

    Almost any targeting card with a positive effect synergises with my proposed Puffer Fish (the exception of course being Rage Elixir without a previous buff).
    However, Clock not only synergises with Puffer Fish's ability, but with its high health as well. It has a high cost so it is not easily splashable, but with the right set up one can add up to 5 | 4 attack to Puffer Fish - making it a 7|1 | 6|2 creature - and add 15 | 8 poison to the opponent.
    Bear in mind that this costs 11 :time + 3 :water + 2 turns | 9 :time + 3 :water + 1 turn to pull off. Using this alone, it does:

    TurnMoveDamage this turnTotal damage
    1Play Puffer Fish and Clock.22
    2Use Tick Tock on Puffer Fish 3 times.1416
    3Use Tick Tock on Puffer Fish 2 times.2238

    TurnMoveDamage this turnTotal damage
    1Play Puffer Fish and Chonometer.22
    2Use Tick Tock on Puffer Fish 2 times.1416
    3Press space.1431

    The unupgraded may seem worse than the upgraded, though a few factors have to be taken into account:
    • Chronometer + Puffer Fish combo costs less than the Clock + Puffer Fish combo
    • As the Chronometer + Puffer Fish combo is one turn quicker to pull off, Tick Tock can be played on other creatures in the 3rd turn.
    • If Puffer Fish is buffed or healed, then Tick Tock can be twice as quick at increasing the effect.
    • And most importantly - IT IS NOT ONLY ABLE TO BE USED ON PUFFER FISH. Clock offers more flexibility, though Chronometer is much cheaper than its unupgraded counterpart.
    Puffer Fish's cost makes it difficult to splash into a deck and still remain quanta balance, though it would be fine splashing into a False God or Arena deck. However, this only means purify is going to be carried more often, and that's even assuming the AI will play it correctly.



    Mechanics

    • 'Target creature ages one turn' basically means that the target creature basically does everything it would do at the end of a turn except attack.
      For example: Poison would deal damage to the creature; if it has one, it would activate its passive-active abilities that occurs at the end of the turn (creatures with 'bioluminescence would generate 1 :light, etc.); skills would become 'ready' (for example, an Ulitharid that had used Psionic Wave on an Otyugh could use it again in the same turn); in the case of Steam Machine and creatures with the ability 'steam' it would lose an attack; and any other things I may have missed, or are yet to be in the game.
      Adrenalined creatures do not act any differently than normal creatures as they aren't attacking.
    • 'Gains +1|-1 | +2|-2' is pretty straight-forward, the creature gains one | two attack and looses one | two health. If the creature has one | two or less health when Tick Tock is used then it dies. Damage occurs after aging, so everything stated above (quanta produced, etc) will occur before it gain +1|-1 | +2|-2.
    • 'Can be used 3 times per turn' means that once you have clicked it and the target creature, if you have enough :time, you may use it again, like with Rustler, but cannot be used a fourth time (or a fifth, sixth, etc.) This is basically to avoid multi-targeting issues.



    Balancing

    Red Nymph = 1 (attack) + 1 (high health) + 6 (ability cost) = 8 :underworld

    3 :underworld = +5 | -5 to target

    0.6 :underworld = +1 | -1 to target

    1.8 :underworld = +3 | -3 to target

    ~2.5 :underworld = +1 | -1 to 3 targets

    Rounded up because of the aging effect.

    3 :underworld = +1 | -1 and aging to 3 targets.

    Okay, I admit, about here I got stuck and used the ability cost of Red Nymph as the casting cost.

    Because Chronometer's ability is twice as good, I reduced the number of times it can be used, so now each turn it is only a bit better than Clock. (I really did not want to increase the casting cost)



    Why would this be a good addition to the game?

    Time does not have any good buff cards, or any good creature control cards (except Reverse Time, which I find is too situational for my liking, and nothing like this). It not only synergises with my proposed Puffer Fish, but with many other cards as well. For example; Armagio, Plague, Quintessence, the list goes on.



    Are there any problems with adding this to the game?

    Adding this would be adding an in-element buff for Dune Scorpion, which some people may not like. However, a permanent that costs 6 | 7 quanta and a turn before it can do any buffing isn't really preferable to Unstoppables or Chaos Powers run off the mark is it? Especially as this would kill the unupgraded Dune Scorpion.

    As balancing was slightly wonky, this may end up being OP (or UP, but I doubt it), but then again, most cards are modified before they are put in the game, right?



    The End Bit

    Admittedly, Clock does synergise better with Puffer Fish because it requires more targeting.

    Here is a proposed deck:

    Hover over cards for details, click for permalink
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    Relics are Clocks.



    In conclusion, Clock | Chronometer would be a great addition to the game, because it strikes up a lot of synergies with time; it adds the feature of aging a turn; it gives Time a good, thematic, buff AND cc cards; and would give Elements a huge fresh taste.
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    « Last Edit: April 26, 2013, 01:49:11 am by Annele »
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    Re: Clock | Chronometer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43840.msg1004578#msg1004578
    « Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 09:00:40 pm »
    It definitely feels as though the 'aging' mechanic might be broken somehow, but I can't find it just yet. Also, distributing three +1/-1 counters each turn is a bit steep, but not too OP. I like the flavor AND ART, though. I'd be interested to see how this survives development.
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    Re: Clock | Chronometer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43840.msg1004874#msg1004874
    « Reply #2 on: October 03, 2012, 10:38:28 pm »
    Slight bump, and a yay that (I think) OT thinks I got balancing right. That guy is very cryptic
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    Re: Clock | Chronometer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43840.msg1063953#msg1063953
    « Reply #3 on: April 26, 2013, 01:50:18 am »
    Bump because I'm thinking of submitting this when Drake can move stuff.
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    Re: Clock | Chronometer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43840.msg1063959#msg1063959
    « Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 02:03:01 am »
    Fun!...
    I think it should make mummies and skeletons when it kills things :D

    On a more practical note,
    Regarding aging mechanic: I assume from your explanation that aging 1 turn will also decrement freeze and stun duration as well, correct?

    If that is the case, then this is a powerful anti-stall card. Especially if combined with angels.

    Overdrive BB would become very powerful I think.

    Poison and purify will also be very potent combos.

    Not sure if it will be OP or not. If it does end up being OP, however, you could dial back the uses per turn to just 1 or 2.

    Lastly, readying skills could be very powerful and may step on SoR's toes a bit. This card: Golden Mage | Time Mage
    Is doing just that with its ability. The mechanic has apparently been proposed before as well.
    I think this card is sufficiently distinct from both Golden Mage and the previously proposed card to not have any issues in terms of originality, but the discussion may still be helpful with balancing considerations.
    « Last Edit: April 26, 2013, 02:20:10 am by OdinVanguard »
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    Re: Clock | Chronometer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43840.msg1064010#msg1064010
    « Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 07:30:52 am »
    for buffing this is one thing, but I think the potential for CC makes this too powerful.
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    Re: Clock | Chronometer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43840.msg1064050#msg1064050
    « Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 08:10:13 am »
    for buffing this is one thing, but I think the potential for CC makes this too powerful.

    How so?
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    Re: Clock | Chronometer https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=43840.msg1064141#msg1064141
    « Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 05:20:08 pm »
    for buffing this is one thing, but I think the potential for CC makes this too powerful.

    How so?
    With 2 or more of these in play, you essentially have a flexible, unlimited use rage potion at your disposal.

    The unupgraded version isn't too bad, but the upgraded version has equal quanta - damage efficiency with rage elixer:
    Rage Elixer: 3 :fire -> +6|-6
    This: 3 :time -> +6|-6
    Granted, you need 2 to pull that off, but even at just +4|-4 , thats still pretty potent.

    I think the upgraded version will outshine rage nymph and rage potion as a means of CC.

    Given the high degree of added flexibility and utility of the skill, I think bumping the costs to 2 :time for upped and unupped version would solve the problem without making it UP.
    « Last Edit: April 26, 2013, 05:26:04 pm by OdinVanguard »
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