[Official] Procrastination | Turtle Shield

[Cheesy111]

Compared to Dusk Mantle, Procrastination/Turtle shield seems underpowered.  It's certain blocking, sure, so it works better with Sundial and the like.  But if there are an odd number of turns after Procrast is put down, on average it is worse than Dusk.  If your opponent has weapons, on average Procrast is worse than Dusk (since Dusk can block weapons and Procrast can't).  In regards to this, I believe that Procrast should be buffed to be cheaper or to block weapons (preferably the latter).

EDIT: Procrast/Turtle and Eternity/RT also have anti-synergy.  This hurts Procrast even more (RTing a delayed creature makes it attack one more time than it otherwise would).

[nensuru]

It has a advantage over dusk, this shield can stop creatures from activating abilities.

But unlikely dusk, procastination lacks synergy with the in-element weapon, Imo.

I agre that it needs a buff, blocking abilities is way less useful than blocking weapon.

Voted on the first one.

You can also compare this to water shield. This shield loses in the comparison by far. Maybe this could get a additional effect on the upped version as well as permafrost does, lika a dr point?

[Cheesy111]

It has a advantage over dusk, this shield can stop creatures from activating abilities.

But unlikely dusk, procastination lacks synergy with the in-element weapon, Imo.

I agre that it needs a buff, blocking abilities is way less useful than blocking weapon.

Voted on the first one.

You can also compare this to water shield. This shield loses in the comparison by far. Maybe this could get a additional effect on the upped version as well as permafrost does, lika a dr point?

Another good point, that Procrast and Eternity have anti-synergy.  Added to OP.

[thispersonisagenius]

But unlikely dusk, procastination lacks synergy with the in-element weapon, Imo.

How does Dusk Mantle have synergy with Vampire Stiletto? I understand your point, just asking.

Procrastination/Turtle Shield is almost exclusively used in mono-Time (unless its a SNbow, which I should definitely try ), so delaying creatures so that yours have more time to deal damage isn't always super necessary, as Time doesn't have *much* rush capability.

[furballdn]

Let's compare the two since they have the same cost in .

Dusk:
50% of creatures missing you
50% of weapon missing you
Average of blocking half damage taken

Procrastination:
creatures attack every other turn
100% of weapon attacks get through
More than half damage taken

However, procrastination has one advantage over dusk, and that is its delaying creatures. This especially becomes prominent if the opponent has creatures with abilities. Procrastination is better than dusk when faced against a FFQ, pharaoh, or grower deck.

[Annele]

But unlikely dusk, procastination lacks synergy with the in-element weapon, Imo.

How does Dusk Mantle have synergy with Vampire Stiletto? I understand your point, just asking.

I would guess by healing up the damage that gets through.

I voted for delaying weapons as well, there's no reason for it not to, and it doesn't need too much of a buff.

[Absol]

Actually, there -is- a synergy between weapon and shield, though small.
1. Use Eternity on undelayed creatures, making the summoning sickness longer.
2. Vader can heal damage which goes through Dusk.

[Cheesy111]

Actually, there -is- a synergy between weapon and shield, though small.
1. Use Eternity on undelayed creatures, making the summoning sickness longer.
2. Vader can heal damage which goes through Dusk.

1. Untrue.  See scenario:

Opponent has 2 horned frogs.
Horned frog 1 is RT'd.
Horned frog 1 is replayed.
Both horned frogs attack.

The summoning sickness is not made any longer.

2. That seems to be similar to the idea that Sanctuary has synergy with dusk.  This does not seem to be a synergy as the two effects do not enhance each other.

[furballdn]

Summoning sickness refers to abilities, not to the creatures attacking or not, which is similar to how I said procrastination was better in the post above.

Saying vagger has synergy with dusk is like saying vagger has synergy with dim shield, procrastination, and tower shield because it "heals the damage let through"

[Cheesy111]

Summoning sickness refers to abilities, not to the creatures attacking or not, which is similar to how I said procrastination was better in the post above.

Saying vagger has synergy with dusk is like saying vagger has synergy with dim shield, procrastination, and tower shield because it "heals the damage let through"

Ohh, summoning sickness.  That's true then I guess. 

[whatifidogetcaught?]

Edit the poll to where there are at least one option for a nerf please.

Not that I want a nerf, it just makes the poll more appropriate, or whatever the word that works here.

[Absol]

Vader Dusk is soft synergy mentioned because they are in-element.
Eternity, what Fur said.