Community-recommended Decks discussion

[ARTHANASIOS]

How do you know which decks are most commonly used, unless you look at the server-side stats?

Deck Helpers, Staff members, make the determination based on everything that's posted on the forum and in chat.

I think there are just recommended decks, not only the most used.

They are the most used and therefore recommended.

 I see, so I shouldn't have posted the decks I've posted in the community since that's my recommended decks and not the community ones (except for Cocky HB Killer, in which case my opinion and the community ones are the same).
 Anyway, I did a little testing with 3 well-known mostly (or fully) unupped & rareless decks against the Gold & Platinum leagues and here are the results (I post it here because I think you will be interested):

{1} Very Good Unupped HB Farmer: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,36282.0.html

*Games Versus Gold: 30
-Games Won: 5
-Games Lost: 25
-Elemental Masteries: 1
-Lucky Spins: 0
-Winning Percentage: 16.67 %

*Games Versus Platinum: 30
-Games Won: 4
-Games Lost: 26
-Elemental Masteries: 0
-Lucky Spins: 0
-Winning Percentage: 13.33 %


{2} Fastest Unupped Mono AI3 Farmer: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,10503.0.html

*Games Versus Gold: 30
-Games Won: 5
-Games Lost: 25
-Elemental Masteries: 1
-Lucky Spins: 0
-Winning Percentage: 16.67 %

*Games Versus Platinum: 30
-Games Won: 2
-Games Lost: 28
-Elemental Masteries: 1
-Lucky Spins: 0
-Winning Percentage: 6.67 %

{3} My RoL/Hope Deck (Mostly Unupped): http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14533.0.html

*Games Versus Gold: 30
-Games Won: 15
-Games Lost: 15
-Elemental Masteries: 0
-Lucky Spins: 3
-Winning Percentage: 50.00 %

*Games Versus Platinum: 30
-Games Won: 6
-Games Lost: 24
-Elemental Masteries: 3
-Lucky Spins: 2
-Winning Percentage: 20.00 %

 Personally, I have learnt two great things from these tests:

1st}  I've learned that a decent unupped & rareless deck can easily reach a 15% winning rate in Gold/Plat league, however reaching or exceeding 20% is a difficult task (like Calindu said). So, in my opinion, an unupped rareless deck if ever succeeds in bypassing 20% winning percentage after a serious playtesting of 100 games in Gold/Plat league, then it can be considered a "farmer" of that legue.

2nd}  The mostly unupped Rol/Hope deck is not only a good FG killer but also a pretty decent Gold League farmer with very good winning percentage for a deck with just 6 upped cards and 3 rare weapons.

[Chapuz]

Getting 50% win rate against gold makes it difficult to get a rare spin. That's why Bronze and Silver are grindable too.

[ARTHANASIOS]

Getting 50% win rate against gold makes it difficult to get a rare spin. That's why Bronze and Silver are grindable too.

 That's true, however RoL/Hope is what the community has closer to unupped & rareless Gold/Plat farmer for now, so it may be a good idea to be included into the gold/plat community recommended decks.

[Chapuz]

Getting 50% win rate against gold makes it difficult to get a rare spin. That's why Bronze and Silver are grindable too.

That's true, however RoL/Hope is what the community has closer to unupped & rareless Gold/Plat farmer for now, so it may be a good idea to be included into the gold/plat community recommended decks.

No. A deck can only be recommended in one topic and RoL-Hope deserves to be in the FG one, as it works best there and has been designed for it.

[willng3]

Getting 50% win rate against gold makes it difficult to get a rare spin. That's why Bronze and Silver are grindable too.

That's true, however RoL/Hope is what the community has closer to unupped & rareless Gold/Plat farmer for now, so it may be a good idea to be included into the gold/plat community recommended decks.

No. A deck can only be recommended in one topic and RoL-Hope deserves to be in the FG one, as it works best there and has been designed for it.

The rule regarding multiple submissions was removed prior to the end of the first voting session on the basis that certain decks performed notably better and were favored more than the rest versus certain AI types.

[Chapuz]

oops missed that, sorry 

Anyway, I wouldn't grind gold with a <50% win rate deck. Difficult rares.

[eaglgenes101]

Should we give that 6 upgrade leeway? Someone set up a poll.

[ARTHANASIOS]

oops missed that, sorry 

Anyway, I wouldn't grind gold with a <50% win rate deck. Difficult rares.

Me neither, but a newbie who has just gained his/her almost unupped & almost rareless RoL/Hope deck in order to farm FGs can also give a try to Gold/Plat farming with this deck. Even if he/she doesn't get any spins, the 100-200  which he/she gains will be a little treasure for a newb. 

[eaglgenes101]

I have tried all the decks people listed, and found fire rush ok, and Pestal the best, but this deck has been working even better for me. I am lucky to have 2 nymphs, so this is not for everyone... just like all those nifty shard decks aren't for me... yet  

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Can someone see if this works in gold/plat?

[Annele]

Just want to point out, a good unupped Lava Golem rush can be used to grind silver for more on average than a deck with a 90% winrate against AI3 gains when grinding AI3.

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After weeks of testing all sorts of rushes, I found that this Lava Golem rush:

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wins just over 50% of the time. The average electrum gain for a win is 60 , and -15 for a loss.
After 100 games, one can expect to gain about 3,000 , and lose about 750 . The total average gain is 2250 . Of course, using this deck, the average special spin rate would be about 1 in those 100 games. This deck is for gaining money, not cards.
Then there are the AI3 grinders. I heard somewhere that the best ones have a 90% winrate. The average gain when facing AI3 is 15 , and the loss is 10 .
In 100 games, one can expect to gain about 1350 , and lose about 100 . The average gain is therefor 1250 , 1000 less than the silver grind.

[willng3]

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[furballdn]

All dolled down here --> http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,38674.msg481351.html#msg481351 has it's mark missing.