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Forgotten Soldier | Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490752#msg490752
« on: May 01, 2012, 07:08:36 pm »
NAME:
Forgotten Soldier
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
1
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1|1
TEXT:
This card turns into a Pillar of your mark upon death.
 0:Smite,  Sacrifice this card to  attack target creature.
NAME:
Forgotten Knight
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
1
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2|2
TEXT:
This card turns into a Tower of your mark upon death.
 0: Smite,  Sacrifice this card to attack target creature.
ART:
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NOTES:

*The ability of Pillar/Tower creation of this card is passive, so it can't be lobotomised.
*The ability of 0:Smite isn't passive, so it can be lobotomised.
*The Pillar/Tower creation is triggered when the death effects of Forgotten Soldier/Knight are triggered. This means that Mutation, Reverse Time or any other CC which doesn't kill the creature it won't trigger the Pillar/Tower creation.
*When the new Tower (but not Pillar) is created, it generates its 1 extra mana normally.
*The Smite ability is the following:
0:Smite,
Target creature is attacked by Forgotten Soldier/Knight (taking damage equal to Forgotten Soldier's/Knight's attack score) and Forgotten Soldier/Knight is sacrificed right after the attack, triggering death effects normaly.

SERIES:
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Lore:
 Forgotten soldier's idea is inspired by folklores of the past where people of various civilizations believed that the dead, in order to rest in peace, had to be burried (or burned) and mourned. Many ancient civilizations believed that they also had to fill the dead person's tomb with food, goods and gold as a sign of respect to the dead person or because these possesions would help the dead's survival to the afterlife. Another example is the infamous Charon's Ferry folklore, in which dead people had to pay a gold coin in order to pass to the underworld. In general, if there was not a proper burial the dead couldn't rest and his/her spirit haunted the living. Other well-known reasons (besides unproper burial) because of which a spirit remained to the word of the living were unfinished bussiness, unkept promises or vengeance.
 
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In Elements' cosmology, a Forgotten warrior is supposed to be a dead person who died in battle but hadn't a proper burial afterwards and he can't travel to the realm of the afterlife, so he roams the world as an undead spirit. However, some Forgottens are believed to haunt the world not because of an improper burial, but because they failed to fullfil their duties as soldiers or knights and they stay in the world of the living as a punishment for their inability. Failures like these usually include fleeing from battle, inability to protect their master or dying before slaining a great villain.

 Since the cousins of these warriors forgot about their ritual or and death itself 'forgots' to take them to the afterlife, the sages call them 'Forgottens'. Furthermore, a Forgotten has no longer a master and, because of this, he serves none of the 12 great elements of the universe and considered an 'Other creature' by the sages. However, in orded to pass to the afterlife, he has to find a new master to serve and this time must either die again in battle and recieve a proper burial or to accomplish the duties in which he failed during his life. He usually try to hide the fact he is undead by various ways (wearing full-plate, appearing only at night) in order to win the trust of a new master more easily. Unfortunately, his supernatural aura, pitch-black skin and glowing eyes will betray his true nature sooner or later...

 As undead spirits, Forgottens do not fear death at all (they actually try to die again on purpose) and they fight with unmatched courage, often smiting their opponents in a suicidal charge. Before the battle or before they die, they confess to their masters their true name and nature as well as the reason they couldn't find rest and beg him for a proper farewell ritual in order to break the Forgotten's curse.

 When his task is complete and he is finally buried, a Forgoten is not considered forgotten anymore (he will be remembered by his master's people) and he is not of Other element anymore (he carries his master's element). As a gratitude for his burial, the Forgotten empowers a structure near his grave with his own spiritual power, making it able to produce quanta of his master element. The type of structure empowered depends on the rank of the Forgotten. Simple Forgotten Soldiers are usually unable to empower something bigger than a pillar while Forgotten Knights are known to empower even entire towers with quanta generating abilities.

 Here is a poem I wrote about a Forgotten, it is not great but I hope you like it.  ;)  http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,40515.0.html
« Last Edit: July 27, 2012, 02:33:36 pm by ARTHANASIOS »
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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490783#msg490783
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2012, 07:49:15 pm »
Hmmm, I'm not sure about this, you may want to consult with Oldtrees.
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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490809#msg490809
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2012, 08:41:41 pm »
This seems to serve no purpose other than slightly more useful immolation fodder. I don't like that. In any other circumstance, if you want a pillar/tower, take a pillar/tower.

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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490838#msg490838
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2012, 09:48:27 pm »
Hmmm, I'm not sure about this, you may want to consult with Oldtrees.
Dear Emerald Tiger, what do you mean here? Do you suggest to contact Oldtrees to tell me if my idea is original or not?

This seems to serve no purpose other than slightly more useful immolation fodder. I don't like that. In any other circumstance, if you want a pillar/tower, take a pillar/tower.

Some of this card's purposes are the following:
1) Save deck's space by including a Pillar/Tower and a 1/1 creature into a single card.
2) Give decks other than mono-decks some versality.
3) According to the circumstances, you may use this card as a rushing creature (even buff it) or you may kill it instantly to gain your Pillar/Tower.
4) It works well with Immolation, Devour and every card favorable by death effects.
5) Your opponent may find troublesome to kill a creature which gives you an extra pillar/tower upon death.
6) Gravity Pull/Force into Forgotten Slodier/Knight can block a strong attacker and granting you a pillar/tower afterwards.

If the problem is the 1/1 statistics, this is debatable. If you also think its ability might be changed a little, this is also debatable.  :)
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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490887#msg490887
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2012, 11:00:28 pm »
Hmmm, I'm not sure about this, you may want to consult with Oldtrees.
Dear Emerald Tiger, what do you mean here? Do you suggest to contact Oldtrees to tell me if my idea is original or not?
More like: use me as a resource to ask questions of.

I do not remember a card like this.

It fits the generic subtheme of Other well.

Pillar | Tower is worth 0quanta + 1card
A 1|1 is worth 0quanta + 1 card
Versatile cards cost more than less versatile cards
Forgotten Soldier | Forgotten Knight costs 1 :rainbow + 1 card

The difficulty killing it detracts from the potential value.
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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490909#msg490909
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2012, 11:21:22 pm »
And don't forget balance, although I think ET meant via the "Ask the Idea Guru" thread.

I don't understand how destroying a knight connects thematically with generating a pillar|tower.

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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490918#msg490918
« Reply #6 on: May 01, 2012, 11:34:04 pm »
I like this, might make it like a Standard bearer or such, or the tower is like its grave marker... very cool

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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490933#msg490933
« Reply #7 on: May 01, 2012, 11:53:41 pm »
Seems UP. Not very notable stats, not very notable ability, all seems way too weak and useless.

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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490935#msg490935
« Reply #8 on: May 01, 2012, 11:55:49 pm »
I like it but also agree Drake about it being thematically wierd ... I like storytellers idea - What if instead you play it as a pillar / tower that generates your mark ... and if destroyed the soldier / knight comes out?  "Outpost of the Forgotten Soldier" | "Outpost of the Forgotten Knight"
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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490937#msg490937
« Reply #9 on: May 01, 2012, 11:58:43 pm »
Problem is that the incentive to target it is low.

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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490940#msg490940
« Reply #10 on: May 02, 2012, 12:02:11 am »
i think everyone else has put into words what i was feeling about this.
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Re: Forgotten Soldier / Forgotten Knight https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=39486.msg490944#msg490944
« Reply #11 on: May 02, 2012, 12:05:40 am »
As for the card itself, thematics aside, I'd make this cost 3 |2 :rainbow .  This would really help trios and quartets in some cases...

 

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