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Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473534#msg473534
« on: March 24, 2012, 12:38:08 am »
NAME:
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ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
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TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All cards will cost 8 quanta and every creature played will instead be the dragon of its element for one turn.
NAME:
Draconian Emblem
ELEMENT:
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COST:
4
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All cards will cost 8 quanta and every creature played will instead be the dragon of its element for one turn.
ART:
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Okay, I have several uses:

1. Cheaper Dragons
This is the most prominent.  Either from the use of cheap "tokens" [Spark, Photon, Ash Eater, etc.] since they can be played easily separate from Seal/Emblem, or Dragons, since they will drop from 10+ quanta to 8.

2. Cheaper Spells/Permanents
There aren't a lot, but there are handful of spells and permanents that have costs that exceed 8 quanta.  This will not remove the drain effects of Sky Blitz, Miracle, or Fractal.

3. Soft Denial
Will null most rushes and prevent OTKs in dire moments.  Of course, they can improvise with Dragon rushes if they have sufficient quanta, so it shouldn't be taken for granted.

The effects of creatures like Chimera will not take effect when they are played.  The cost change does not affect ability cost except in the case of Mitosis, which will remain at 10+ for the Dragons.

Other creatures will take on the cost of a random quanta.  For example, Shard of Focus is played.  From there, it picks from the pool with the most quanta.  If there is insufficient quanta there, it shall pick from the next largest quanta pool.   So if I have 6 :fire and 3 :water , playing Shard of Focus [or Malignant Cell] will consume 6 :fire and 2 :water.
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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473536#msg473536
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2012, 12:44:03 am »
Does played only apply to cards directly from the hand?
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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473538#msg473538
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2012, 12:48:01 am »
Yes, only from the hand.  Creatures spawned from Pharaoh, Firefly Queen, and Deja Vu are unaffected as well as creatures formed from Mitosis or Mutations.

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473556#msg473556
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2012, 02:12:58 am »
This will make OTK and rush decks much powerful won't it? Is the 7 quanta the element of the card? Otherwise, you could easily use QPs to power them.

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473617#msg473617
« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2012, 06:31:43 am »
Yes, the cost is the original element.  But how does this help OTK and rushes?

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473651#msg473651
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2012, 08:56:36 am »
Yes, the cost is the original element.  But how does this help OTK and rushes?
+15 damage for a single cremation; +12 for 4 light quanta. Plus, this card is most effectively used in OTKs and rushes, since you want to get as many dragons out as you can in a single use.

How would this work with that shard (Other) creature?

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473710#msg473710
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2012, 03:03:04 pm »
 
Yes, the cost is the original element.  But how does this help OTK and rushes?
+15 damage for a single cremation; +12 for 4 light quanta. Plus, this card is most effectively used in OTKs and rushes, since you want to get as many dragons out as you can in a single use.

How would this work with that shard (Other) creature?
Well, Cremation wouldn't work exactly because Emblem might drain some of the :fire .

:rainbow creatures will create a random Dragon then.  I shall amend the notes.

Due to this, I have but one questions:
Would this be better in a specific element?  Which and why?

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473801#msg473801
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2012, 07:25:54 pm »
The only other creature is malignant cell, so it shouldn't be that bad, but fractal malignant cell plus this is certainly viable.

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473805#msg473805
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2012, 07:30:46 pm »
The only other creature is malignant cell, so it shouldn't be that bad, but fractal malignant cell plus this is certainly viable.
Especially with each Malignant costing 7 :rainbow .  But you also forget Shard of Focus.

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473808#msg473808
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2012, 07:33:55 pm »
The only other creature is malignant cell, so it shouldn't be that bad, but fractal malignant cell plus this is certainly viable.
Especially with each Malignant costing 7 :rainbow .  But you also forget Shard of Focus.
Oh whoops. Right. That could be dangerous then. Use precogs and HGs to thin out a deck, then play draconian emblem while you have six SoFs in your hand. You might think 7 :rainbow for a dragon is a lot, but it's actually very, very cheap. 2 QTs can power that, and a single nova powers nearly 2. 7 random quanta for a high attack (I had the average down for dragons, but I forgot where) creature is a very good deal.

Another thing I see with this is to use it in a dragon deck. That allows your usually 10 quanta + dragons to be played down with only 7, a thirty percent summoning decrease.

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473810#msg473810
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2012, 07:41:31 pm »
The only other creature is malignant cell, so it shouldn't be that bad, but fractal malignant cell plus this is certainly viable.
Especially with each Malignant costing 7 :rainbow .  But you also forget Shard of Focus.
Oh whoops. Right. That could be dangerous then. Use precogs and HGs to thin out a deck, then play draconian emblem while you have six SoFs in your hand. You might think 7 :rainbow for a dragon is a lot, but it's actually very, very cheap. 2 QTs can power that, and a single nova powers nearly 2. 7 random quanta for a high attack (I had the average down for dragons, but I forgot where) creature is a very good deal.

Another thing I see with this is to use it in a dragon deck. That allows your usually 10 quanta + dragons to be played down with only 7, a thirty percent summoning decrease.
Even then, that isn't too much of an issue.  That's only 6 dragons.  With all the healing, stalling, and CC, 6 creatures isn't the best to rely on in that case.

If it is any problem, what if all 7 quanta has to be from the same element?  Yes, the element can still be chosen at random, but only from the quanta pools that have at least .

And I have pointed out it's use with dragon based decks...

1. Cheaper Dragons
This is the most prominent.  Either from the use of cheap "tokens" [Spark, Photon, Ash Eater, etc.] since they can be played easily separate from Seal/Emblem, or Dragons, since they will drop from 10+ quanta to 7.

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Re: Draconian Seal | Draconian Emblem https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37700.msg473917#msg473917
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2012, 11:08:06 pm »
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NAME:
Draconian Seal
ELEMENT:
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COST:
5
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TEXT:
All cards will cost 8 quanta and every creature played will instead be the dragon of its element for one turn.
NAME:
Draconian Emblem
ELEMENT:
Other
COST:
4
TYPE:
Spell
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TEXT:
All cards will cost 8 quanta and every creature played will instead be the dragon of its element for one turn.
ART:
Drake_XIV
IDEA:
Drake_XIV
NOTES:
Okay, I have several uses:

1. Cheaper Dragons
This is the most prominent.  Either from the use of cheap "tokens" [Spark, Photon, Ash Eater, etc.] since they can be played easily separate from Seal/Emblem, or Dragons, since they will drop from 10+ quanta to 7.

2. Cheaper Spells/Permanents
There aren't a lot, but there are handful of spells and permanents that have costs that exceed 7 quanta.  This will not remove the drain effects of Sky Blitz, Miracle, or Fractal.

3. Soft Denial
Will null most rushes and prevent OTKs in dire moments.  Of course, they can improvise with Dragon rushes if they have sufficient quanta, so it shouldn't be taken for granted.

The effects of creatures like Chimera will not take effect when they are played.  The cost change does not affect ability cost except in the case of Mitosis, which will remain at 10+ for the Dragons.

Other creatures will take on the cost of a random quanta.  For example, Shard of Focus is played.  From there, it picks from the pool with the most quanta.  If there is insufficient quanta there, it shall pick from the next largest quanta pool.   So if I have 6 :fire and 3 :water , playing Shard of Focus [or Malignant Cell] will consume 6 :fire and 2 :water.
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The biggest change right now is the increase of costs by the effect from 7 to 8.
« Last Edit: April 14, 2012, 12:02:36 am by Drake_XIV »

 

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