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Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468820#msg468820
« on: March 08, 2012, 07:54:55 pm »
NAME:
Overheat
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
5 :fire
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All damage sources deal 1 additional damage. Stackable.
NAME:
Superheat
ELEMENT:
Fire
COST:
4 :fire
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All damage sources deal 1 additional damage. Stackable.
ART:
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NOTES:
So basically, if something deals damage, one additional damage is dealt to the same target. This would affect everything on the field but would not apply to things that do not deal damage. This would of course affect both players meaning your opponent gets the same bonuses you do. The idea is to ensure that you get more bonuses ;).

P.S. I'll probably have to find other art. But for now, I'll just leave that up there.

Creatures:
Attack < 0; No effect
Attack = 0; No effect
Attack > 0; 1 additional damage to opponent (Essentially +1/0)

Spells/Abilities:
Direct Damage; 1 additional damage to the target
Bolt spells; 1 additional damage to the target in total, not 1 per bolt.
Area of Effect; 1 additional damage to each target
Other; No effect

Permanents:
Weapons; 1 additional damage to opponent
Firewall; 1 additional damage to each attacker
Unstable Gas; 1 additional damage to each target (Including the opponent)

Statuses;
Poison; 1 additional damage to owner (Essentially 1 more counter)
SERIES:
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468826#msg468826
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2012, 08:10:59 pm »
So it is a permanent version of SoP + buff to CC?

sounds good to me but i think it should cost more because it can stack
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468828#msg468828
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2012, 08:17:46 pm »
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468830#msg468830
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2012, 08:25:25 pm »
I like this card.


Since it has a minor effect that becomes valuable only when repeated, I feel it should have a permanent duration. This will also balance the Stall and Rush usages of the card.

I also believe that all cards should stack as default. I see no reason this card should not stack.


Now to discuss balance:
All creatures deal +1 damage. (Yours and your opponents)
Adrenaline deals +1 damage per attack and does not push it into a less valuable tier.
Damaging CC gets a minor 1 damage boost
Catapult, Poison and Fire Bolt have insignificant increases in damage.
Fire Shield, Fire Storm, Thunder Storm, Pandemonium, Plague and Unstable gas increase in value.
Remember this is two sided like Sundial or unupped Pandamonium
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468831#msg468831
« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2012, 08:27:14 pm »
I didn't realize the highlighted parts of OldTrees' post.  Changed votes to reflect this.
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468833#msg468833
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2012, 08:31:09 pm »
Oops. I didn't allow vote removal on the 2nd post. Poll restarted!
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468836#msg468836
« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2012, 08:52:31 pm »
this card reminds me of Furnace of Rath (http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=205268) from MtG

apart from that, the card is interesting, balanced and i think could fit on some new OTK combo decks :D

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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468840#msg468840
« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2012, 09:07:18 pm »
Would this work with Fire Shield?

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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468846#msg468846
« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2012, 09:23:22 pm »
I tried a version of this that only affected spells before and got 0 support...
Times change I guess, I'll watch how this one goes.
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468848#msg468848
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2012, 09:44:28 pm »
Would this work with Fire Shield?
Yes. That is one of the good synergies.

I tried a version of this that only affected spells before and got 0 support...
Times change I guess, I'll watch how this one goes.
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468894#msg468894
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2012, 12:29:53 am »
i like the idea, but l sort of agree with rook that it would probably be better with a limitation, be it weapons, spells, creatures or abilities. or ot's suggestion that it should have a turn limit if not.

also, i understand that fire is your favorite element  and this card certainly fits, but it scares me to death considering rain of fire and fire bolt tics and fire shield and your own creatures getting first whack at using this ability. 

basically, this card is too broadly reaching and within mono fire would have too much of an impact for my liking, personally
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Re: Overheat | Superheat https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=37323.msg468896#msg468896
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2012, 12:42:45 am »
i like the idea, but l sort of agree with rook that it would probably be better with a limitation, be it weapons, spells, creatures or abilities. or ot's suggestion that it should have a turn limit if not.

also, i understand that fire is your favorite element  and this card certainly fits, but it scares me to death considering rain of fire and fire bolt tics and fire shield and your own creatures getting first whack at using this ability. 

basically, this card is too broadly reaching and within mono fire would have too much of an impact for my liking, personally
My position obviously wasn't clear enough.

The best design for this effect is:
Permanent so it has a lasting effect worth a moderate casting cost
Versatile so that all damage source gets the bonus.

Remember this card helps both sides and Fire Bolt only gets +1 total regardless of your quanta total.
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