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Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441741#msg441741
« on: December 23, 2011, 04:14:21 am »
NAME:
Black Sunadokei
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
:water :water  : Sorrow
Discard a card. Gain its cost in quantum.
NAME:
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ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
4 :darkness
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
:time :time : Aitou
Play target card from your hand for free. Lose 10 HP.
ART:
ETG, Modified by Zblader
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
An alternate take on Darkness's manipulation theme.

The unupped has you discard a card to gain it's cost (for example, discarding a Giant Frog gets you 2 :life ). Can be used to counter denial decks and help speed up your own.

The upped 'reverses' the concept and lets you play cards for free, at the cost of hurting yourself. This damage ignores all cards that would normally reverse/negate/reflect this damage, so Mirror Shield, SoSa, and similar cards have no effect.

Cards that drain all quanta will still drain quanta if you use Aitou.


Change History:
V1 :
Upgraded Version started at 20 damage, 1 :time to use ability.
V2:
Upped ability changed to 10 damage, 1 :time .
V3:
Upped ability changed to 10 damage, 2 :time .
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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441743#msg441743
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 04:17:05 am »
Sand watch makes sense, I suppose - I hadn't really thought about it.

Why :water? Why :time?
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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441744#msg441744
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2011, 04:19:08 am »
Sand watch makes sense, I suppose - I hadn't really thought about it.

Why :water? Why :time?
Water = Sorrow (Tears)
Time = Regret (GoTP has a similar theme in the form of Obsession)

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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441747#msg441747
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2011, 04:29:36 am »
The upgraded version made me laugh.

Now I hate to be nitpicky, but the non-upgraded should say "its", not "it's".

Looks cool, although I'm not sure whether playing a free card is worth a whole 20 HP ... maybe just 10?
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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441748#msg441748
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2011, 04:30:49 am »
For the upped, how do fractal and miracle work? Is the 'drain all' part also free?
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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441749#msg441749
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2011, 04:32:51 am »
Looks cool, although I'm not sure whether playing a free card is worth a whole 20 HP ... maybe just 10?
yah i agree with that it would be UP if it was 20

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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441754#msg441754
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2011, 04:38:22 am »
The upgraded version made me laugh.

Now I hate to be nitpicky, but the non-upgraded should say "its", not "it's".
Fixed.

Looks cool, although I'm not sure whether playing a free card is worth a whole 20 HP ... maybe just 10?
Hmm. I think there was some thread that Oldtrees put up saying that 1 HP is worth less than 1 quantum or something similar, but I guess negating 3-5 regnerating Permanents can be pretty tough, even for 1 turn. I lowered it to 10. (This should negate 2.5 Regen permanents on average each turn.)
For the upped, how do fractal and miracle work? Is the 'drain all' part also free?
No. You still lose all your :light or :aether because it's part of the effect instead of the cost.

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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441777#msg441777
« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2011, 06:17:49 am »
Just curious about how the upped would work with a card like Shard of Sacrifice.

EDIT: Thanks, answered. Sorry, didn't see.

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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg441779#msg441779
« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2011, 06:25:03 am »
Just curious about how the upped would work with a card like Shard of Sacrifice.
This damage ignores all cards that would normally reverse/negate/reflect this damage, so Mirror Shield, SoSa, and similar cards have no effect.

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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg443816#msg443816
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2011, 04:16:35 am »
Updated:

Upgraded Version changes:
Text changed from "Take 10 damage." to "Lose 10 HP." (Apparently "Lose" implies that it will not be affected by cards like SoSa)
Ability cost raised to :time :time
(after thinking it over a bit upped version of this card should pay 3 quanta ( 2  :time + 10 HP ) to play 1 unupped dragon (10 Quanta), making net profit 7 quantum.  This is slightly less than Immolation, which is okay since it's repeatable. 4 :darkness should slow it down enough to account for reusing the ability.)

Unupgraded Version Changes:
None.


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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg443820#msg443820
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2011, 05:00:25 am »
The name should be English in keeping with the other cards (or rather, either English or fantasy-nonsense, but in any case, not Japanese)

tl;dr change name of both upped and nonupped to "black hourglass"

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Re: Black Sunadokei | Kuro Hourglass https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35055.msg443825#msg443825
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2011, 05:13:46 am »
The name should be English in keeping with the other cards (or rather, either English or fantasy-nonsense, but in any case, not Japanese)

tl;dr change name of both upped and nonupped to "black hourglass"
It's part of a play on a staff member's username - the  English and Japanese is 'mixed' (and switched midupgrade) as a shoutout of sorts. (It's not super important, but I intend to keep it that way for the time being.)

 

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