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Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423359#msg423359
« on: November 10, 2011, 08:09:17 pm »
NAME:
Foliage
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
4 :life
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Protect your creatures under a layer of foliage for 4 turns.
NAME:
Foliage
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
3 :life
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Protect your creatures under a layer of foliage for 4 turns.
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IDEA:
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NOTES:
Creatures in the first 5 slots are untargetable and invisible. Creatures in slots 6-23 are untargetable, but visible. (Idea being that foliage thins out on the edges.)
Does not stack (playing while another is still active simply resets the counter).


Idea inspired by The dictator and willng3. Partial chat log:

[2011-11-10 13:28:33] The dictator: Hmm, on the issue of life's balance, I feel cloak should belong to life (renamed, that is)
[2011-11-10 13:28:40] The dictator: it would fix life perfectly
[2011-11-10 13:28:59] The dictator: and even fit: you will need to do more effort to harm the living
[2011-11-10 13:29:32] willng3: I was thinking about that myself.
[2011-11-10 13:29:38] TheonlyrealBeef: Stealing cards from Darkness? The nerve!
[2011-11-10 13:29:42] Sappy: O.o life can hide?
[2011-11-10 13:30:12] UTAlan: ^^ Cloak => Foliage
[2011-11-10 13:30:32] Mithcairion: Camouflage
[2011-11-10 13:31:19] Sappy: Why does life need anti cc?
[2011-11-10 13:34:23] UTAlan: Foliage => Middle row of creatures are "cloaked", top and bottom rows are visible, but protected. Idea being that foliage thins out on the edges.
[2011-11-10 13:34:50] The dictator: ‹@UTAlan› you totally need to submit that
[2011-11-10 13:35:09] dracomageat: ‹@UTAlan› ditch the second part IMO
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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423360#msg423360
« Reply #1 on: November 10, 2011, 08:14:17 pm »
I liked it actually hiding the creatures but having edges. This seems far more elegant though, even if it does seem a little like Cloak.

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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423362#msg423362
« Reply #2 on: November 10, 2011, 08:17:53 pm »
Cool idea.  By protected, is this mass temporary Quintessence?
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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423363#msg423363
« Reply #3 on: November 10, 2011, 08:18:35 pm »
Cool idea.  By protected, is this mass temporary Quintessence?
From the opponent, yes. Still targetable by owner.

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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423382#msg423382
« Reply #4 on: November 10, 2011, 09:22:58 pm »
Huh, how much "protection counters" do your creatures get?? I mean, if I use RoF with this active, what happens?? -1 counter to foliage?? Then how many counters does this have?? Otherwise, how this works?? I don't get it completely...

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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423385#msg423385
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2011, 09:26:45 pm »
Huh, how much "protection counters" do your creatures get?? I mean, if I use RoF with this active, what happens?? -1 counter to foliage?? Then how many counters does this have?? Otherwise, how this works?? I don't get it completely...
They don't get "protection counters" per se. This is a permanent which can be destroyed, exposing the creatures, or which will expire after 3 turns. In the case of Rain of Fire - that card specifies that it removes invisibility. I imagine it would destroy the Foliage, then do its damage to all creatures.

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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423393#msg423393
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2011, 09:34:12 pm »
Huh, how much "protection counters" do your creatures get?? I mean, if I use RoF with this active, what happens?? -1 counter to foliage?? Then how many counters does this have?? Otherwise, how this works?? I don't get it completely...
They don't get "protection counters" per se. This is a permanent which can be destroyed, exposing the creatures, or which will expire after 3 turns. In the case of Rain of Fire - that card specifies that it removes invisibility. I imagine it would destroy the Foliage, then do its damage to all creatures.
Ohhh, now I get it  :D
So... it's a weaker copy of Cloak? I don't like that, maybe it could actually give 1-3 "defense counters" that protect your creatures for those 3 turns... But the idea of cloaking the first five while giving the same protection buff (without the unseen part) to the rest of the creatures is just so copied from Cloak  :-[

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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423406#msg423406
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2011, 10:44:02 pm »
This has the same cost as Cloak but is weaker in every way. I'd suggest increasing the turns to 4 or decreasing the cost.
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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423412#msg423412
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2011, 10:55:40 pm »
This has the same cost as Cloak but is weaker in every way. I'd suggest increasing the turns to 4 or decreasing the cost.
Increased to 4 turns. Thanks for the feedback!

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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423425#msg423425
« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2011, 11:08:37 pm »
Alright, some of my thoughts on the concept and mechanic ...

It fits thematically, as well as giving Life some much-needed creature protection. It also gives it another permanent to draw PC away from other permanents like Empathic Bond and Thorn Carapace.

So how would this stack with Cloak? I imagine Cloak would override the effects of this.

All in all, great card. I'd love to see this in the game. :)
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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423431#msg423431
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2011, 11:15:43 pm »
So how would this stack with Cloak? I imagine Cloak would override the effects of this.
Yes, since Cloak covers up Permanents as well, Foliage would be hidden by it.

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Re: Foliage | Foliage https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=33562.msg423442#msg423442
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2011, 11:39:27 pm »
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