Mighty Synergy Series: Water Updated Card Statistics

[ScytherLoL]

So I am moving on to another in the series.

Below are the other links:
Fire: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2990.0.html
Life: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2989.msg29106#msg29106

These cards are inspired by Greek Myth and as such have certain attributes that correspond with that.

Charybdis/Charybdis Queen


Scylla/Queen Scylla


Just to clarify the cards do not stack so the bonus is once and once only.

[Kamietsu]

Charybdis/Charybdis Queen's stats are too powerful. It's got a good effect and great stats, together make it too powerful. Lower the stats on it. Scylla isn't too bad but make it's cost higher. Same with Charybdis/Charybdis Queen, either lower it's stats or make it's card cost a bit higher and they aren't too bad.

[ScytherLoL]

OK so if I raised the cost of Charybdis to 8 and Charybdis Queen to 9 and the Scylla to 7 and Queen Scylla to 8 how would that suit?

I am also thinking of lowering the Attack on both Charybdis cards by one so they would become 5|3 and 6|4.

Just some ideas.

Scyther

[Glitch]

Okay, getting +2 hp for a devour is crazy OP.

[ScytherLoL]

Yes but it is a onetime bonus and as above would cost at least 8 to play a Charybdis to get that bonus.

And they are easy to kill which was the main thing.

Also they would be costing more than the cards say now (also above)

Thanks

Scyther

[The_Aegis]

You have to consider that Otyugh (the main "Devour" creature) costs 4 and is a 0|3 with only +1|+1 bonus (and is yet one of the best creatures in the game).

Both of them are overpowered...

As said, adding +2 to defence on devour is really overpowered (couse really soon you will devour ALL creatures played by the opponent).

Both of them need to be much more expansive, or they just have to gain +1|+1 (And still be great, couse they will be as improved Otyugh, that I dunno if it's a good idea, couse it will make Oty about useless).

[The_Aegis]

(Nice arts anyway... They should be used for something, if you can't fix your ideas)

[ScytherLoL]

Well here is another idea for it the bonuses are as follows:

For the Charybdis if Scylla is in Play gain +0|+1 for the Queen +1|+2

For the Scylla if Charybdis is in play gain +1|+0 for the Queen +2|+1

Also costing as follows:

Charybdis to 8 and Charybdis Queen to 9 and the Scylla to 7 and Queen Scylla to 8

Then a shuffle of the stats:

Charybdis 5|3 Charybdis Queen 6|4

Scylla 1|4 Queen Scylla 2|5

This is what I have come up with so far I will redo the cards today.

Just to clarify the Scylla does not get +2 on Devour. It gets +1|+1 same as Otyugh

Thanks

Scyther

[ajm6]

I really like this idea with the revisions. Not so overpowering now and since they require a decent amount of quanta especially for the pair it might not overpower oty.

Questions I have is say I destroy charybdis will scylla retain the bonuses or will they be lost.

Second thing I see is that the whirlpool ability is esentially devour without gaining anything for it. Perhaps whirlpool would be better used as a freeze type effect or something similar to earthquake or the tsunami skill on trident.

Great artwork and an awesome idea.

[ScytherLoL]

Thank ajm6 for your words.

To answer your questions if you destroy Charybdis then Scylla automatically loses the bonus unless you have another in play. This could work against you if the enemy takes out a Scylla when you have only 1 hp on your Charybdis as this would automaticaly kill the Charybdis as well.

I had considered that the whirlpool wash away permanents instead of creatures but in myth this creature sucked you into the void of its whirlpool. (Thus the origin of "a rock and a hard place") so I left it at creatures. basically it is an instant kill which most people do not like but it has limits on how it is used. Also why I left the bonus for doing it out was so that it wouldn't get OP.

I had contempleted that it sinks the opponents permanents turning them into water pillars on your side but that made the creature too strong.

Thanks again for your advice.

Scyther

Cards have been fixed as per above

[ajm6]

Thanks for the answer.

On losing the bonus I'm then curious about when having multiple charybdii or scyalla (not sure about how to make those plural) on the field does the bonus stack. If so should there be a limit on the possible number on the field? (You could get some pretty incredible bonuses using twin universe if there is no cap)

On the skill I understand what you are saying I still think it is redundant, but perhaps that is for the best. More creature control is always nice.

[ScytherLoL]

I think Ihave stated that it doesn't stack but maybe I missed it.

The skill gain does not stack with each Scylla or Charybdis in play it is a onetime only bonus you gain if 1 or more of the other is in play.

ie: You get the same bonus regardless of having 1,2 or 6 in play.

I thought stackable would make it way too powerful.

That would have made a Scylla Queen a 7|11 with devour for only 9 Quanta.

But that aside thankyou again for your contribution and I understand that the whirlpool is a bit redundant but I was going for the mythology between these two creatures so had to try it in there somewhere and creature control as you say is always good to have.

Thankyou

Scyther