Duo Deck Tier List (Warning: Debate Likely)

[PuppyChow]

As I proposed in Glitch's topic, I think that we should make a "Tier List" to look at. This is designed to be a debate topic. Not an "attack the OP because he's wrong topic." If you don't like something, explain why you think it should be different. The idea here is to have some good academic debates (people be willing ).

So what is a tier list? Basically, the higher you are, the better it is. Duos listed higher up are better, the lower you go, the worse they get. Overall.

Note on the tier list: Just because Earth/Time is top tier doesn't mean 6 antlions and 6 electrum hourglasses is an awesome duo deck. It's kinda like SSBM's (Super Smash Bros. Melee), where though Fox and Marth are top tier, using them doesn't mean you'll automatically beat all others. You have to have skill, too (or in this case, a good deck). This is addressed by the third criteria I list later: how easy it is to realize the combos.

So now, I present the TIER LIST! This is in no way set in stone and will continually change with debate (hopefully). Currently the types within the tier aren't in order, but eventually they hopefully will be.

For this, I'm thinking there should be an unupgraded tier list and an upgraded one, since IMO some decks work great upgraded and suck unupgraded. For now though, this is just in general. Even if a deck is only top tier upgraded, it is still listed as top tier (for now).

What Criteria Were Used?

(This can be debated too!)

-Synergies
-Availability (if a deck REQUIRES rare cards, it may be lower)
-Ease of building/realizing what the synergy is (some very good decks are in mid tier if there is only one of them made from that combo and it uses rares or takes some thinking)
-Number of synergies

How to Navigate Tier List:
Press CTRL+F. Then type in the two elements you're looking for (separated by a "/"). The first element is the highest most one in the bazaar/deck area.

TOP Tier:
Death/Water
Gravity/Earth
Earth/Time
Earth/Darkness
Fire/Air

High Tier:
Time/Aether
Light/Darkness
Life/Air
Earth/Fire
Death/Fire
Entropy/Gravity
Entropy/Life
Fire/Light

Mid Tier:
Darkness/Aether
Time/Darkness
Light/Air
Light/Time
Light/Aether
Water/Aether
Life/Light
Life/Water
Life/Time
Life/Darkness
Earth/Aether
Earth/Water
Earth/Light
Earth/Life
Gravity/Life
Gravity/Time
Gravity/Darkness
Gravity/Fire
Death/Darkness
Death/Gravity
Death/Life
Death/Air
Entropy/Darkness
Entropy/Death
Entropy/Earth
Entropy/Light

Low Tier:
Air/Time
Air/Darkness
Air/Aether
Water/Aether
Water/Light
Water/Darkness
Fire/Time
Fire/Darkness
Fire/Aether
Fire/Water
Life/Aether
Life/Fire
Gravity/Aether
Gravity/Light
Gravity/Air
Death/Light
Death/Time
Entropy/Aether
Entropy/Fire
Entropy/Water
Entropy/Air
Entropy/Time

Bottom Tier:
Water/Time
Earth/Air
Death/Earth
Death/Aether
Gravity/Water

Note that I did this very fast, so there may be errors. There is also much room for debate; does Earth/Fire belong in top tier? Or high tier? This is where to debate it

DEBATE: BEGIN!

[Demagog]

What is the difference between top and high tiers? The entropy/gravity deck I made based around flying discords/black holes is really good from what I've tested so far. It's amazing versus rainbows, can beat FG's, and doesn't have too many weaknesses. Plus it's semi-customizable because entropy and gravity have several cheap spell cards.

[PuppyChow]

Hence I put it at high tier . However, that's ALL entropy/gravity has going for it and other than that has no other options. And that synergy, while it works great, is rather obscure currently since it uses both a rare card and a new card.

[Demagog]

Ok, makes sense then. I can't argue with that because I can't think of any other entropy/gravity decks off the top of my head, other than rainbows :-p

[harakirinosaru]

What is the difference between top and high tiers? The entropy/gravity deck I made based around flying discords/black holes is really good from what I've tested so far. It's amazing versus rainbows, can beat FG's, and doesn't have too many weaknesses. Plus it's semi-customizable because entropy and gravity have several cheap spell cards.

Link?

[Demagog]

http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,2853.0.html

[Baily18]

I think Time/Aether should be in Mid Tier due to decks like Scarab PU and Anubis.

[Glitch]

Put Air/Life on the top tier, move fire/air down.
Time/Aether should be on the top tier too.

[Demagog]

At least give a reason why you think they should be moved...

[Glitch]

Put Air/Life on the top tier, move fire/air down.
Time/Aether should be on the top tier too.

At least give a reason why you think they should be moved...

Air life, the FFQ loop, has beautiful synergy.  Creature spam plus heals for the shield make it a brutal combo, and FFQs are too strong to kill.  I might add that the combo is Un-upped, as upped FFQs create fire.

Fire Air is great for scorching, yea, but it's slow, and permanent control obliterates it.

Time Aether has Parallel universe to swarm scarabs, anubis, eternity so it doesn't deck out, and lobotomize if anything gets too tough.  Plus time's rapid draw allows it to work combos more efficiently.

[harakirinosaru]

Put Air/Life on the top tier, move fire/air down.
Time/Aether should be on the top tier too.

At least give a reason why you think they should be moved...

Air life, the FFQ loop, has beautiful synergy.  Creature spam plus heals for the shield make it a brutal combo, and FFQs are too strong to kill.  I might add that the combo is Un-upped, as upped FFQs create fire.

Fire Air is great for scorching, yea, but it's slow, and permanent control obliterates it.

Time Aether has Parallel universe to swarm scarabs, anubis, eternity so it doesn't deck out, and lobotomize if anything gets too tough.  Plus time's rapid draw allows it to work combos more efficiently.

I would agree with your Fire/Air judgment, but Azure Dragons + Unstable Gas is really fast. I don't think Life/Air warrants being moved up because I feel as if it would lose to everything on the top tier...but as I haven't ever played with the deck, I'm not 100% about that.

Also, I'm going to take this moment to share a mental high-five with Pup, as we were the first to post a deck of a type in the top tier...to my knowledge.

Ellipses are fun.

Does Fire/Time count as a deck? It's basically mono-fire that can draw cards.

[Glitch]

Air life?

Water/Death won't beat it, you heal 23 a turn, and deal enough damage to hang on.
Earth/Gravity will beat it =/
Earth/Time might get it, but if you can survive long enough to get the combo started, your healing will save you and your damage will end your opponent.
Earth/Darkness might get it, but if you can get the combo started it's game over.  To be honest, Earth/Darkness needs a little more work before it should go top tier.
Fire/Air won't beat it, as the healing can survive any scorches you send, and this deck is freaking fast!  Even if you get two in a row and kill all the fireflies, they'll be back faster than you can handle.