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Stealth Flier | Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350045#msg350045
« on: June 12, 2011, 05:29:18 pm »
NAME:
Stealth Flier
ELEMENT:
Air
COST:
5 :air
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 4
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness Mirage: For Stealth Flier's next attack, shift position on the field and put a decoy in its place.
NAME:
Stealth Flier
ELEMENT:
Air
COST:
4 :air
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
4 | 4
TEXT:
:darkness :darkness Mirage: For Stealth Flier's next attack, shift position on the field and put a decoy in its place.
ART:
artimies7
IDEA:
Rutarete
NOTES:
Decoys are invisible for one turn. Is the invisibility part needed?
SERIES:


NAME:
Decoy
ELEMENT:
Air
COST:
1 :air
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
1 | 1
TEXT:
Generate :air :darkness upon successful attack
NAME:
Decoy
ELEMENT:
Air
COST:
1 :air
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
2 | 1
TEXT:
Generate :air :darkness upon successful attack
ART:
artimies7
IDEA:
Rutarete
NOTES:
Decoys are invisible for one turn. Is the invisibility part needed?
Should decoys be vanilla or have some other ability?


This is was for the Duality's Legacy Community Challenge. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26964.0.html)

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Re: Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350052#msg350052
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2011, 05:35:51 pm »
the upped buff seems a bit too large...

Re: Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350053#msg350053
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2011, 05:36:57 pm »
I dont think the invisibility is needed. It cant be a decoy if the enemy cant see it...

The Decoy should look just like the Stealth Flier but with just 1/1 or 3/1...

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Re: Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350061#msg350061
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2011, 05:50:40 pm »
Deck added.
the upped buff seems a bit too large...
Which buff should i take out then? Cost, ability, or stat raise?
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Re: Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350063#msg350063
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2011, 05:52:23 pm »
Has to fit the following rule for challenge:
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The card must be able to generate or interact with 2 quantum pools - 1 of it's own element, and 1 of another element.*

* Note - the interaction of the two pools must occur at the same time.
Perhaps the decoy could generate  :air :darkness instead?

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Re: Stealth Flier | Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350078#msg350078
« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2011, 06:12:23 pm »
I think that the decoy could do without the stat buff, with a result of 2|1 at the very most.
Note that the card Firefly Queen and Pharaoh have no changes upon upgrading, the fact that the spawn is balanced (Firefly to Elite Firefly, Scarab to Elite Scarab) is enough to balance the card.

And wouldn't it be cooler if the decoys were 1|0 and 2|0? If you did, then you could probably lower the initial and ability cost of Stealth Flier - so it would be easier to fit into a deck - and it would synergize with boneyard/bonewall/catcher/virus. Not to mention the thematic reason (who puts a working engine and a capable pilot in all 22 decoys that you produce from one plane?)

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Re: Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350082#msg350082
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2011, 06:21:41 pm »
Has to fit the following rule for challenge:
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The card must be able to generate or interact with 2 quantum pools - 1 of it's own element, and 1 of another element.*

* Note - the interaction of the two pools must occur at the same time.
Perhaps the decoy could generate  :air :darkness instead?
How silly of me to forget that  ^-^

I think that the decoy could do without the stat buff, with a result of 2|1 at the very most.
Note that the card Firefly Queen and Pharaoh have no changes upon upgrading, the fact that the spawn is balanced (Firefly to Elite Firefly, Scarab to Elite Scarab) is enough to balance the card.

And wouldn't it be cooler if the decoys were 1|0 and 2|0? If you did, then you could probably lower the initial and ability cost of Stealth Flier - so it would be easier to fit into a deck - and it would synergize with boneyard/bonewall/catcher/virus. Not to mention the thematic reason (who puts a working engine and a capable pilot in all 22 decoys that you produce from one plane?)
I lol'd. Not only is ^ funny but also that i had tried to make this in a thematic way.

So, changes to make:
I'll take away the invisible part.
Make upped decoy 2/1
Make both Decoys produce  :air :darkness
Maybe? -1|-1 to stealth flier cost.
Should the cost be -2 from what it is?

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Re: Stealth Flier | Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350092#msg350092
« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2011, 06:32:39 pm »
Might want to fix the wording, too.
1. Does its skill last for one turn? (Generate a Decoy if it successfully attacks this turn?)
2. Does the skill generate a decoy upon use? (Like Pharaoh and Firefly Queen?)
3. Is the skill innate? (Generate a Decoy each time it attacks? Why does is there a skill cost?)
4. Is the skill a one-time use? (Using the ability changes its ability to [3]?)

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Re: Stealth Flier | Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350118#msg350118
« Reply #8 on: June 12, 2011, 07:03:18 pm »
Might want to fix the wording, too.
1. Does its skill last for one turn? (Generate a Decoy if it successfully attacks this turn?)
2. Does the skill generate a decoy upon use? (Like Pharaoh and Firefly Queen?)
3. Is the skill innate? (Generate a Decoy each time it attacks? Why does is there a skill cost?)
4. Is the skill a one-time use? (Using the ability changes its ability to [3]?)
1. No
2. Yes
3. No; It is lobotomizable.
4. No

Edit: Also, anyone who feels they have better art feel free to show it to me.

Also @ Patch (and everyone) How much of a buff should the upgraded get?
the upped buff seems a bit too large...
Or is Patch the only one who thinks this?

Edit#2
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Re: Stealth Flier | Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350164#msg350164
« Reply #9 on: June 12, 2011, 09:32:18 pm »
It is a bit large. Just don't decrease the ability cost, and you're golden.

Well, except for the art. The art needs to be changed too.
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Re: Stealth Flier | Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350170#msg350170
« Reply #10 on: June 12, 2011, 09:46:34 pm »
It is a bit large. Just don't decrease the ability cost, and you're golden.

Well, except for the art. The art needs to be changed too.
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Re: Stealth Flier | Stealth Flier https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27512.msg350232#msg350232
« Reply #11 on: June 12, 2011, 10:59:46 pm »
It is a bit large. Just don't decrease the ability cost, and you're golden.

Well, except for the art. The art needs to be changed too.
Will you make art for it?
I can sure try. I'll get right on it.
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