Extinguish | Extinguish

[Tiko]

NAME: Extinguish ELEMENT: Water COST: 0 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: - TEXT: Sacrifice a Pillar: Absorb some of the contrary quanta from your opponent of the pillar sacrificed.	NAME: Extinguish ELEMENT: Water COST: 0 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: - TEXT: Sacrifice a Pillar: Absorb some of the contrary quanta from your opponent of the pillar sacrificed.

ART: Peter Bartoš - Reference: (deviantArt) Fire Splash (http://tee-pee.deviantart.com/art/Fire-Splash-76979728?q=boost%3Apopular%20fire%20water&qo=808) - Art used with permission. IDEA: tikotribe NOTES: Card was first made to give Water a natural counter to Fire, just like as it would be expected in Nature: Inversion of the spell: Immolation | Cremation Mechanics based on the wide variety of already existing cards, including bolts. Absorbs 4 | 5 quantum for every 10 quanta you possess from the element of the pillar sacrificed. Example for the sacrifice of a Water Pillar: Absorbs: Unupgraded Upgraded 0-9 4 5 10-19 8 10 20-29 12 15 30-39 16 20 40-49 20 25 50-59 24 30 And so on.. Note: if used on a Quantum Pillar, a random element is chosen, if the opponent does not have quanta of the opposing element, nothing happens. -- List of opposing elements is not necessary I believe.. SERIES: -

[unknown89089]

This card wouldn't exactly be the most popular card out there, as it'll only be used in certain situations where you know your opponent's deck.

[Manipul8r]

It might be viable if it absorbed 2|3 random quanta and 1 as a base, then + 2 for every 10 quanta.  Right now it's way too specific though.

[Rutarete]

It might be viable if it absorbed 2|3 random quanta and 1 as a base, then + 2 for every 10 quanta.  Right now it's way too specific though.

Agreed. Though i don't like saying this, it's too situational

[Pineapple]

Some people don't realize that even with 0 water quanta, you can still absorb 4 from the opponent.
I don't think that you should have to sacrifice a specifically water pillar though, I think any pillar would do. This would make this card good in most games against immo/cremation decks, and also very good at denial when complementing earthquake (water-earth buff, so inadvertent trident buff?). It may also work with using nightmare on fire creatures (water-fire-darkness trio? okay, maybe i am getting a bit far-fetched now. It could work as a fire-darkness duo if you take out the "sacrifice a water pillar" part and keep it zero-cost)

[Tiko]

This card wouldn't exactly be the most popular card out there, as it'll only be used in certain situations where you know your opponent's deck.

It might be viable if it absorbed 2|3 random quanta and 1 as a base, then + 2 for every 10 quanta.  Right now it's way too specific though.

Agreed. Though i don't like saying this, it's too situational

Just like Purify.

Thank you for your feedback, and as patch already said, it does absorb 4 | 5 even if you have no water quanta at hand (played many games to see, how fluidly can a fire based deck gain it's quanta, those are not random numbers). And for the random quanta absorption: we already have Black Hole for that, and in a way, that card is situational too. I'm open for suggestions, though, as I wanted to make it somehow a little more universal, so first idea was an any pillar sacrifice (that's why the brackets are there), but still thinking about a secondary effect..

Just a note: I did not make this idea, to rant about the OPness of the element Fire, or the cards immolation/cremation, nor I had any 'bad game experience', those are fine as they are; but we have to agree that fire is faster/stronger than any other element out there (and even more well-rounded), and it's fragileness is not that of a drawback most of the time; and today's two of the most powerful deck compositions (both rush and stall) comes from this element, and more often than not, you have to specifically prepare for it to best it. And if you think about it, the absorbtion of 4-5/10 (see the table) is not that of a terrible drawback as it looks for first, keeping in mind how fast Fire can gain it's quanta, and fast paced their games can be.

This card mostly serves you only for buying a little time, for the cost of your own quanta generation.

[Flayne]

Actually i disagree with most of you.
I think that this card is actually quite useful against loads of decks such as steam engine decks, Fractal phoenix decks, fire rush decks, Fire master + momentum rush decks (FG graviton anyone?) , Lava destroyer decks, Etc with  anything to do with fire (which there are MANY) .

I do agree however that the singular element absorption may be a little low on reason of applying these to a deck.
(on the edge of being too situational)
If this were implemented to the game, I would use this as the "Purify" to the "poison"
purify = this VS  Poison = fire related decks.

[Manipul8r]

The difference is that Purify is a much broader elemental counter, AND is still slightly useful if the opponent has no poison.  Many elements have ways to poison opponents and mutated creatures can also bring on the poison.  Even still, Purify is not used often unless you are expecting to face poison.

It may be useful in the current metagame, but it needs to be at least slightly useful even if your opponent has little to no Fire quanta.  A comparison of my suggestion to Black Hole is completely off - absorbing random quanta is more punishing to mono/duo/trio decks, while Black Hole counters Rainbow.  Also, Black Hole may be a specific counter, but again, it has some effect even if your opponent is not playing Rainbow (and it has no drawback, like this card).

[OldTrees]

The problems with this card are as follows:
1) It is an elemental hoser. From my experience in MTG I can warn you that hosers are not a good idea.
2) It is very specific. It is only good against decks that have fire quanta and have it on your turn.

The goal of this card was a sacrifice of a pillar to drain quanta from the opponent. The general idea does not have either problem of the original idea.

Cost: 0|0
Sacrifice target pillar: Drain 4|5 quanta from your opponent.

[Tiko]

Hmm, it seems the idea is already flushed in another way I expected.

Thanks for the feedback so far - all in all, I still would like to see a natural counter for Fire, as it would seem logical for Water to be the element to easily do that (which is by far not the case right now). Anyway, I'm not making ideas for my own liking (and one never should), so I will heed your advice(s), and rework the card, after the forums are back. I'm hoping to still receive your input afterwards.

[rosutosefi]

It would be better if it could absorb any quanta. This can only effectively counter firestalls. Other fire decks use their quanta immediately.

[Pineapple]

I think you should change the name and make it absorb fire, death, light, earth, life, and air quanta because those are the elements of quanta that can be generated with alternative (non-pillar) quanta generation. 2-3 for every 5 water quanta would be a nice number for the absorb. Black hole can absorb up to 36 quanta for 3 , and this would absorb up to 12-18 for 0 , up to 24-36 for 5 , and up to 36-54 for 10 .