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Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg287335#msg287335
« on: March 10, 2011, 03:31:58 am »
NAME:
Fountain of Tears
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
:water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All quanta you generate heals you for HP instead as long as this card is in play. Lasts 3 turns.
NAME:
Persephone's Spring
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
:water
TYPE:
Permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
All quanta you generate heals you for HP instead as long as this card is in play. Lasts 4 turns.
ART:
vrt (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,4192.0.html)
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
I was looking around in some of the older cards ideas and noticed there were some interesting images showing up every now and then as well as some great concepts and ideas. I began to notice that a lot of cards at some point had a really good fountain made by vrt, which in turn lead me to the the Competition thread and inspiring me to make this card.
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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg287388#msg287388
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 04:48:38 am »
Very nice!
I assume when you say it heals hp instead of producing quanta (just making sure).
I see this being used for anti-poison, rainbow and creating new healing decks. It can replace a shield altogether. and that's the important point.
What do you think?
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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg287411#msg287411
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 05:34:08 am »
Very snazzy effect! Would multiple fountains heal you multiple times with the same quanta? Does this also include Cremation and Nova quanta?
Anyway, what's the reason for the time limit? It seems like a late game card anyway.
It also seems UP, Feral Bond, though it can heal potentially less per turn, it lets attacks through and it's cheaper. I dunno if SoG should be even a comparison...
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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg287505#msg287505
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 11:35:56 am »
What about adding a secondary effect? I'm thinking to Sanctuary, that saves you from effects like nightmare, scramble, etc etc..

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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg287516#msg287516
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 12:49:09 pm »
Your text is a bit weird but I like the idea. Try "all quanta produced are converted into healling". Basically as soon as this card is in play you can not produce quanta anymore. I assume that similarilly to eclipse this doesn't stack. A quanta cannot be converted twice.
What happens if you reach your maximum HP (standard 100)? (a) the card disappears (in this case I would drop the time limit) (b) the quanta are consumed but nothing else happens (c) all quanta above the maximum HP go the the allocated quanta pool (in this case I would drop the time limit).
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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg287783#msg287783
« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2011, 09:32:10 pm »
Very snazzy effect! Would multiple fountains heal you multiple times with the same quanta? Does this also include Cremation and Nova quanta? Yes, Fountains can stack.
Anyway, what's the reason for the time limit? It seems like a late game card anyway. I don't want the card to be a case for long-term quantum screwover. By giving it a timer, the healing is also limited.
It also seems UP, Feral Bond, though it can heal potentially less per turn, it lets attacks through and it's cheaper. I dunno if SoG should be even a comparison... Well, it's harder to destroy pillars since less elements have PC than CC.
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Your text is a bit weird but I like the idea. Try "all quanta produced are converted into healling". Basically as soon as this card is in play you can not produce quanta anymore. I assume that similarilly to eclipse this doesn't stack. A quanta cannot be converted twice. It does stack as I've stated above. The reason I settled on that text because I kept getting the feeling someone would interpret this as healing the opponent too instead of producing quanta.
What happens if you reach your maximum HP (standard 100)? (a) the card disappears (in this case I would drop the time limit) (b) the quanta are consumed but nothing else happens (c) all quanta above the maximum HP go the the allocated quanta pool (in this case I would drop the time limit).  B - Healing still occurs but nothing happens.  Since this can stack, I'm not going to drop the time limit yet.
Good work.  Thank you! :)

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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg290332#msg290332
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2011, 04:33:17 pm »
zomg who maed dat art rite durr?

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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg291063#msg291063
« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2011, 05:09:54 pm »
I think the card could be changed into no time limit and have an ability which allows it to destroy itself

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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg291401#msg291401
« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2011, 12:03:55 am »
I think the card could be changed into no time limit and have an ability which allows it to destroy itself
I don't get the suggestion. Would you explain your reasoning?
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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg292410#msg292410
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2011, 12:24:35 pm »
Hey Zblader, here are me thoughts. (I've been going around the Crubicle)
For the cost of 6 measly mana, this card can seriously OP all the other healing cards, especially with Towers, Rustlers, Gnome Riders, Windmill (Not out, but have recently commented on), Soul Catcher, etc. Especially with Soul Catcher and Schrödinger's Cat, this could more or less turn any deck 33% more invulnerable (statistic made up, but my point is what counts!).

However, you have managed the word "instead", so I am assuming that you don't produce any mana at all during those turns, in which case this card is slightly more balanced. You will need to note if you can use cards like black hole, etc.

Having this card in a deck would be better than a shield in that it heals more than a shield would block.
But it is worse when faced in a draw with little mana, especially if your opponent deals a massive amount of damage in one turn (SPARK AND FRACTAL!).

Anyway, it's drawbacks are good.

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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg292419#msg292419
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2011, 12:52:34 pm »
Hey Zblader, here are me thoughts. (I've been going around the Crubicle)
For the cost of 6 measly mana, this card can seriously OP all the other healing cards, especially with Towers, Rustlers, Gnome Riders, Windmill (Not out, but have recently commented on), Soul Catcher, etc. Especially with Soul Catcher and Schrödinger's Cat, this could more or less turn any deck 33% more invulnerable (statistic made up, but my point is what counts!).

However, you have managed the word "instead", so I am assuming that you don't produce any mana at all during those turns, in which case this card is slightly more balanced. You will need to note if you can use cards like black hole, etc.

Having this card in a deck would be better than a shield in that it heals more than a shield would block.
But it is worse when faced in a draw with little mana, especially if your opponent deals a massive amount of damage in one turn (SPARK AND FRACTAL!).

Anyway, it's drawbacks are good.

P.s. nice artwork there! :D
Green: Crubicle - it is so cute!
Pink: Makes a least a duo (SC being free). It is indeed an efficient healing but I don't see any OPness in it. You cannot heal more than 100HP and the card is limited to 3 turns.
Yellow: no mana is produced in elements anyway only quanta.
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Re: Fountain of Tears | Persephone's Spring https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=22653.msg292632#msg292632
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2011, 08:46:50 pm »
zomg who maed dat art rite durr?


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All of Snoweb's points are correct(especially mana =/= quanta) but here are my thoughts.

Hey Zblader, here are me thoughts. (I've been going around the Crubicle)
For the cost of 6 measly mana, this card can seriously OP all the other healing cards, especially with Towers, Rustlers, Gnome Riders, Windmill (Not out, but have recently commented on), Soul Catcher, etc. Especially with Soul Catcher and Schrödinger's Cat, this could more or less turn any deck 33% more invulnerable (statistic made up, but my point is what counts!).

However, you have managed the word "instead", so I am assuming that you don't produce any mana at all during those turns, in which case this card is slightly more balanced. You will need to note if you can use cards like black hole, etc.

Having this card in a deck would be better than a shield in that it heals more than a shield would block.
But it is worse when faced in a draw with little mana, especially if your opponent deals a massive amount of damage in one turn (SPARK AND FRACTAL!).

Anyway, it's drawbacks are good.

P.s. nice artwork there! :D  Hug vrt, the artist.
The first thing you forgot right off the bat is this card has a time limit. This makes it impossible to  make it a 1337 stall unless you chain them, which is also difficult to do seeing as your quanta production is shut down while this card is healing.
1) "Seriously OP" combos:
- Towers and Quantum Producing Creatures - there are some cases where quantum production is more valued than HP and there are some cases where HP is more valued than quantum.  You might as well say Emphatic Bond is OP because it relies on the amount of creatures instead of killing your quantum production.
- Soul Catcher :
Pink: Makes a least a duo (SC being free). It is indeed an efficient healing but I don't see any OPness in it. You cannot heal more than 100HP and the card is limited to 3 turns.
-As much as I like your attempt to add in numbers, I'm going to be honest : don't go making up statistics. It doesn't work well when you're trying to make a card.
2) Quantum denial will actually cripple you seriously while this card is out because you'll have no quantum to play cards and just a bit of healing that means nothing 3 turns later. Fractal Sparks is only effective for one turn and usually is meant to deal heavy damage or be an OTK.
3) I helped with the concept for windmill.  It's ability costs quantum, which makes it pretty useless when you have no quantum being produced.

Thanks for the review, you seem to be very interested in reviewing cards and possibly card making. Welcome to the CI&A! :)

 

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