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Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg281096#msg281096
« on: March 01, 2011, 08:46:05 pm »
So what happens when willng3 uses Damselflies for Cremation fodder? 
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Not only is the deck fast as heck, it's fun to boot.  Chaos Power the Wyrms or Destroyers and watch the opponent go run for cover.  Still in the process of tweaking it and seeing which cards are needed and which aren't, but for now this is working excellently.
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Re: Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg281114#msg281114
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2011, 09:11:28 pm »
I'd take out one Chaos Power for a Blessing. Costs more, but by the time you're able to play three Chaos Powers, you'll be able to afford a Blessing anyways. I'd consider taking out the Thunderbolt for something else that's cheap, like maybe a Frog or even Physalia.

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Re: Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg281119#msg281119
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2011, 09:18:59 pm »
This is looking hot. Can't wait to test it out.

Good job willng. ^_^
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Re: Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg281121#msg281121
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2011, 09:19:24 pm »
Yeah, I had Frogs in here before, but I tried to keep everything that depended on Nova/Cremation below 2 quanta in order to make them immediately playable.  Plus I realized the AI3 has a few creatures which can be hazardous to this deck, most of which can get taken out by a single Thunderbolt (assuming your draw it of course).  The Blessing is something else I had considered but hadn't added because of the reasoning above.  I'll try -1 Chaos Power, +1 Blessing and see how it feels.
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Re: Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg281127#msg281127
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2011, 09:28:37 pm »
That looks great willy.  You combined 2 of the fastest deck into 1 monster.

Just for jollies I ran a 50 game battery with this deck to see the relative speed.

I got 5.98 ttw and 60.76 seconds per game with 0 losses.  When the deck has a decent draw its great.  Bad draws can and do happen, generally when there are no starting damsels, but it recovers well and is likely one of the top 10 fastest decks in the game.

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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2011, 12:17:28 am »
pvp? if t50 is target, explosions are really helpful, along with momentum.

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Re: Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg281283#msg281283
« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2011, 12:21:49 am »
Why always the one precog?
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Re: Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg281290#msg281290
« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2011, 12:26:43 am »
Why always the one precog?
It's always nice to see what creatures you should save your Lightnings for. ;)

That said, this looks -incredibly- devious... if I was forced to write an article for the Dragonfly | Damselfly, this would be a top deck choice to include in the accounted synergy. :)

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Re: Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg281310#msg281310
« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2011, 12:45:33 am »
Wow, thanks for the feedback guys :D

That looks great willy.  You combined 2 of the fastest deck into 1 monster.

Just for jollies I ran a 50 game battery with this deck to see the relative speed.

I got 5.98 ttw and 60.76 seconds per game with 0 losses.  When the deck has a decent draw its great.  Bad draws can and do happen, generally when there are no starting damsels, but it recovers well and is likely one of the top 10 fastest decks in the game.
Thanks for running those stats; I've been particularly busy today so I didn't have the time to actually record stats.  Plus it's nice to have more than just my word to go by.  The deck originally sparked as an idea, but potentially breaking the 6TTW barrier is amazing, far more than I was expecting.

pvp? if t50 is target, explosions are really helpful, along with momentum.
Yeah, I always tend to build my decks with AI3 in mind, but it should be easily customizable for PvP.  For one, that Precog can be substituted for whatever you want at will.  A CP could probably be exchanged for Momentum as well, if you really need it.

Why always the one precog?
What Kuro said.  Also, I wanted to actually run 2 Precogs to basically make it a 28 card deck, but had too many cards I needed to make that happen, so for now it'll be at 29 cards.  I've taken a liking to Precognition lately, it's unexpectedly useful in decks like these.

That said, this looks -incredibly- devious... if I was forced to write an article for the Dragonfly | Damselfly, this would be a top deck choice to include in the accounted synergy. :)
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I ran a few test games with Blessing and I've decided to stick with 4 Chaos Power for now.  I like the fact that Blessing is consistent, but I did actually run into occasions where I had used 1 Cremation and was left with the Blessing in my hand.  Circumstances such as this can potentially slow the deck down by at least a turn.  I like to try and circumvent even the slightest issues before they appear.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 12:54:48 am »
Why always the one precog?
To add on to what others have said, one Precog instead of two is probably because this deck doesn't use Supernovas. Two Precogs runs the risk of not being about to play one.

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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 01:10:34 am »
i like this one so far! tested in trainer...i'm using the un-upped golem/phoenix rush currently [im new!] this is a bit more fun than playing the other version...i need to farm more so i can start making the upped version of this :(((

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Re: Damsels in Distress: The Best of Both Wyrms. https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=21928.msg283586#msg283586
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2011, 04:30:21 am »
M'kay, I ran a 50 game test run myself.  End results are:

5.766TTW, 54.021 Sec/game, 8 EMs and 3 Losses.

Seeing as how jmdt and I usually come very, very close to each other's values when running stats, I'm going to have to assume that the games that I lost against the AI were the same ones that lasted longer for him, but he managed to break out of the stall and win in the end; I received no such treatment in these cases.  I'll continue running stats for this deck, probably to 200 games just for my own curiosity.  It's very consistent and I hope to keep a similar TTW value as I continue.
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