Havoc | Havoc

[Kakerlake]

NAME: Havoc ELEMENT: Entropy COST: 5 TYPE: Permament TEXT: At the end of each players turn, all creatures attack that players opponent. Upkeep:	NAME: Havoc ELEMENT: Entropy COST: 4 TYPE: Permament TEXT: At the end of each players turn, all creatures attack that players opponent. Upkeep:

ART: Kakerlake - I think I'm getting better with Paint... a little bit... a VERY little bit. IDEA: Kakerlake NOTES: This will only take effect after the first time upkeep is payd. So you won't get the benefit of this card the turn it is played, but your opponent will! Update: New Picture Update: Reworded

[Nepycros]

. . . Couldn't I just use it, have it go over to the opponent's field, then, when it comes back to me, waste all my Entropy so that I end up destroying the card, and gaining all the opponent's creatures? It's not hard to set up AT ALL.

EDIT: Didn't see the part where, if you gain control of creatures, they stay on the same side of the field. However, this could be used for major abuse.

[Kakerlake]

I tried to eliminate all possibilities of abuse already.
I couldn't imagine some way to abuse it as it is now. Destroying it will only deny you your opponent's creatures attack.

If you still see some way to abuse this, please tell me so I can fix it

[Kartsa]

Perhaps remove upkeep, and add: "If this permanent is destroyed, return all creatures back to their original owner" or something along those lines.

[Kakerlake]

*sigh* I'm gonna rewrite the thing since noone seems to bother reading the notes
The thing with the upkeep wouldn't work anyway since the opponent would have to pay it as well.

New text will be something like this:
"At the end of each players turn, all creatures attack that players opponent"
+ Upkeep.

[wizelsnarf]

The current text is confusing me.

My understanding from the text is that you play this card and then your opponent gets a bunch of free stuff. The next turn if they have no entropy then you just gave away all your stuff for free.


If they had enough entropy for upkeep, they would probably waste it if possible so they wouldn't lose their stuff - or destroy this if they can.


It seems kind of weak.

[Seiya]

The current text is confusing me.

My understanding from the text is that you play this card and then your opponent gets a bunch of free stuff. The next turn if they have no entropy then you just gave away all your stuff for free.


If they had enough entropy for upkeep, they would probably waste it if possible so they wouldn't lose their stuff - or destroy this if they can.


It seems kind of weak.

I think I understand it.  You play this card.  Your opponent loses control of his/her creatures, and they deal damage to the opponent instead of you.  Once you run out of entropy or the card is PC'd, the opponent's creatures attack you again.

[Ekki]

So, instead of only your creatures attacking your opponent and all of your opponent's creatures attacking you, all the creatures attack both players?
Huh, sounds badass 

[Seiya]

I don't know about coding though.  Attack targets might be based on which field the cards are on.  It might be better for them to be antimattered when havoc is played. 

[Kakerlake]

So, instead of only your creatures attacking your opponent and all of your opponent's creatures attacking you, all the creatures attack both players?
Huh, sounds badass 

Yep, and is especially great, when you like just stole Gravitons Gravity shield and he kills himself.
Though I really think I have to add something so the opponent can use the benefit of this card first. Otherwise it would be just too strong.

I don't know about coding though.  Attack targets might be based on which field the cards are on.  It might be better for them to be antimattered when havoc is played.

IMO this shouldn't too hard to be implemented.
Something like: If(Havoc){run the attacking for opponents creatures as well} should do the trick.
Then again, I have no clue how elements is programmed

[Nepycros]

This is open to SO MUCH ABUSE.

I just don't play any creatures, and start using a Diss Shield deck.

[Kakerlake]

This is open to SO MUCH ABUSE.

I just don't play any creatures, and start using a Diss Shield deck.

I wouldn't call that abuse since it is just a way of trying to use this card to it's maximum efficiency.

Would be pretty bad if you ran across a firestall though. or how about a antillon rush with diamond shield? Or did you consider that if you use a no creature deck and the opponent "happens" to have more cards he would simply not play any creatures? - I already did that once vs. an Liquid/Antimatter stall =) pretty fun to beat your opponent down with nothing more that your weapon.

The fun thing is, that this would also render Antimatter useless. So IMO a pure entropy stall isn't really the best way to use this card. It's much better in an offensive deck with a good shield to block your own creatures.
Like say... Entropy / life with adren scorps, jade shield, bonds and perhaps some fun entropy stuff for PC/CC?