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Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg261690#msg261690
« on: February 01, 2011, 03:50:56 am »
NAME:
Allergy
ELEMENT:
Air
COST:
4 :air
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target a creature. When another of that creature's element comes into play, kill targeted creature.
NAME:
Allergy
ELEMENT:
Air
COST:
3 :air
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target a creature. When another of that creature's element comes into play, kill targeted creature.
ART:
Art by Zblader
IDEA:
Rutarete
NOTES:
Types could be like Dragon, Nymph, Bug, Spirit, Winged, Other, etc.
Or it could be by element.

Ok. Time to thoroughly examine the possibilities of this card.

1. Concerning 'Types'
          I feel if it were by creature categories (above), that this would be not only harder to code, but also confusing. Creature Categories are too specific due to the variety of creatures in EtG. It makes it too situational. Consider this example:

Opponent's deck:
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5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rh 5rj 5rj 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rs 5rs 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2vs.

Your deck:
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4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 4sa 5oe 5oe 5oe 5oe 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r 61r ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ? ? = Allergy
In the above example, you would use Allergy and then PU as CC. The above decks show Type as 'A Singular Creature'. Use Allergy on a pharaoh, PU the pharaoh. Use Allergy on a scarab, PU the scarab. Note that Mindgate could be used in place of PU. Also think about Fractal.

Another reason not to have 'types' be creature categories is that it requires you to have some means of either copying/getting their creature or simply having it beforehand. That limits the uses of this to mostly PvP and Air-Aether decks.
If it's to be by element, rainbow decks are added to its uses, allowing you to use Allergy by targeting your own creatures.

But even in that case (targeting your own creatures), unless for fueling death mechanics, you're stuck waiting for the opponent to play something of that element. So it would still be too situational.

Besides the type issue, I'm wondering if this card would be better off as a permanent. A turn by turn ability does have more use than a spell's single turn.
This would, as a permanent, lasts 3? turns or so.

2. Cost
Do these notes help anyone decide on a good cost?
SERIES:
Ergy Series http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20748.msg281766#msg281766
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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg261759#msg261759
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2011, 05:43:30 am »
While I like the card function, I don't get the reference to an "allergy?" You can't be allergic to yourself, can you? :O

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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg262003#msg262003
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2011, 04:17:18 pm »
well when you are allergic to yourself its called an autoimmune disease.
but well you are allergic to your own species , don't know how that would be called.

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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg262287#msg262287
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2011, 11:32:04 pm »
well, think of pollen. say you're allergic to pollen, and you have a reaction that kills you. now switch you to the creature and pollen to the type. make sense now?
also, should the types be by element or species or other?
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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg262379#msg262379
« Reply #4 on: February 02, 2011, 12:38:10 am »
well, think of pollen. say you're allergic to pollen, and you have a reaction that kills you. now switch you to the creature and pollen to the type. make sense now?
also, should the types be by element or species or other?
it would make sense if they were allergic to something else than their own species or type,
it would make sense if say water were allergic to fire, or if creatures were allergic to death, air or even life. 
otherwise is an autoinmune desease, lol
anyways I guess it dont need to make sense, this is elements after all.

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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg262554#msg262554
« Reply #5 on: February 02, 2011, 04:48:09 am »
I think it's getting a bit complex if it's made to be allergic to something other than its own type... or, maybe not. depends if you want only specific types.
So, by your post should i take it that you want by pairs of elements?
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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg263598#msg263598
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2011, 05:55:42 pm »
I think it's getting a bit complex if it's made to be allergic to something other than its own type... or, maybe not. depends if you want only specific types.
So, by your post should i take it that you want by pairs of elements?
well even if it makes less sense I think simplicity is better.
I believe is fine as it is. 

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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg263641#msg263641
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2011, 08:24:01 pm »
Ooh! I had an idea similar to this the other day (in that it employed creature "types")! I've even a chart half drawn up :)

I like it, but I have to disagree with the name. Perhaps "One of a Kind" or something in that vein?
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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg263677#msg263677
« Reply #8 on: February 03, 2011, 09:36:40 pm »
This would be awesome with Mindgate o:

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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg263740#msg263740
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2011, 12:00:45 am »
Ooh! I had an idea similar to this the other day (in that it employed creature "types")! I've even a chart half drawn up :)

I like it, but I have to disagree with the name. Perhaps "One of a Kind" or something in that vein?
Sorry, but one of a kind doesn't end in Ergy. That how i started this
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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg263758#msg263758
« Reply #10 on: February 04, 2011, 12:22:59 am »
Oh ah. I see. A series.

Not to interfere but I went on a wild hunt and came up with a couple that might fit:

    parergy - something unimportant, incidental, or superfluous.telergy - the influence one brain is thought to exercise over another, from a distance, by means of some hypothetical mental energy.
Just some thoughts, don't wanna step on any toes :) Like I said tho, I like the mechanic, I just don't think I like the idea of a creature being allergic to its own kind. Ah well, as the others stated, I guess it doesn't really need to make sense in that regard.
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Re: Allergy | Allergy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20603.msg263761#msg263761
« Reply #11 on: February 04, 2011, 12:27:45 am »
Oh ah. I see. A series.

Not to interfere but I went on a wild hunt and came up with a couple that might fit:

    parergy - something unimportant, incidental, or superfluous.telergy - the influence one brain is thought to exercise over another, from a distance, by means of some hypothetical mental energy.
Just some thoughts, don't wanna step on any toes :) Like I said tho, I like the mechanic, I just don't think I like the idea of a creature being allergic to its own kind. Ah well, as the others stated, I guess it doesn't really need to make sense in that regard.
Actually, i already have those. The two i haven't posted yet are the last 2 on the list  Here's the list:
Allergy
Anergy
Energy
Synergy
Telenergy (archaic)
Periergy (archaic)
Parergy (archaic)
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