Metronome | Metronome (Lucky! Series)

[Werdbooty]

NAME: Metronome ELEMENT: Time COST: 1 TYPE: Spell ATK|HP: TEXT: Lucky! Either draw a card or Rewind an enemy creature.	NAME: Metronome ELEMENT: Time COST: 4 TYPE: Permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: : Lucky! Either draw a card or Rewind a random enemy creature.

ART: Images altered to some degree by Werdbooty. Image Source Image License (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/) IDEA: Werdbooty NOTES: Ah, the first from the Lucky! Series. This seems to be the most stable card of the bunch. Don't think there's a whole lot to do here. SERIES: Lucky! Series: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,19030.0.html Lucky! Analysis (by doublecross): http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,19108.0.html

[joebob777]

since both unupped reverse time and the hourglass ability cost are 2, 2 would be a balance cost in my mind as it does either or.
the upped ability cost is fine since upped hourglass ability cost and rewind both cost 1
time doesnt really need a new draw card idea in my mind but i think this is balanced

[Werdbooty]

since both unupped reverse time and the hourglass ability cost are 2, 2 would be a balance cost in my mind as it does either or.

Bear in mind there's a -1 to quanta cost due to the nature of the Lucky! Series mechanic (50% chance of achieving the desired effect).

[OldTrees]

since both unupped reverse time and the hourglass ability cost are 2, 2 would be a balance cost in my mind as it does either or.

Bear in mind there's a -1 to quanta cost due to the nature of the Lucky! Series mechanic (50% chance of achieving the desired effect).

I would not assume a -1 quanta cost. If both effects are worth N quanta then you will get N quanta out of each use.

As I said before
Reverse Time is worth 2 +1card
Precog's draw freature is worth 0 +1card
Therefore the unupped is worth 1 +1card (how it currently is)

However
 :Draw a Card is worth 5 (see calculation below)
 :Reverse Time is worth 7 (see calculation below)
Therefore the upgraded is worth 6quanta. (subtract 1 for the upgrade bonus and it should cost 5 )
Therefore the casting cost or activation cost should be increased by 1 for the upgraded.

Calculation mentioned:
Activation Cost Modifier
AC/Mod
1/+1
2/0
3/-1

Draw a card Calculation
Golden Hourglass
4 (Cost) = 4 (Skill Value) +0 (Activation Cost Modifier)
 : Draw a card
5 (Cost) = 4 (Skill Value) +1 (Activation Cost Modifier)

Reverse Time Calculation
Weapon Cost = -3 (unique card slot) +Attack +Skill Value +Activation Cost modifier
Eternity
6(Cost) = -3 (unique card slot) +4(Attack) +6 (rewind) -1 (Activation Cost modifier)
 :Rewind
7 = +6 (rewind) +1 (Activation Cost modifier)
In summary:
Casting Cost 1 |4 or 5
Activation Cost: n/a| or 

[doublecross]

since both unupped reverse time and the hourglass ability cost are 2, 2 would be a balance cost in my mind as it does either or.

Bear in mind there's a -1 to quanta cost due to the nature of the Lucky! Series mechanic (50% chance of achieving the desired effect).

I would not assume a -1 quanta cost. If both effects are worth N quanta then you will get N quanta out of each use.

However, the fact that you cannot rely on which ability it will be, combined with the fact that the rewind chooses a random target, I think warrants the -1 cost.

[joebob777]

even if you cant rely on which ability you get, they both have a 2 time cost regularly, so either or should cost 2 in my mind, if you want to rely on something get precogs in your deck or get rewind times in your deck

[doublecross]

Not only can you not rely on either, but you also can't choose the target of the rewind.


This clearly justifies a low cost.

[OldTrees]

The not being able to choose the target does justify the lower cost.
The randomness between effects does not.

Casting Cost 1 |4 looks good.

[doublecross]

I do not understand why you are so insistent that not being able to choose which effect activates should have no effect on cost.



Just look at chaos seed.

Most of the effects are worth more than 1 , and yet it costs 1 .  Why? Because you can't rely on any one effect.

[Uppercut]

People usually view Chaos Seed as being a single effect as opposed to each individual outcome being an effect.

[doublecross]

Yes, but it chooses from this list:
 Infect, Lightning, Ice Bolt, Fire Bolt, Freeze, Parallel Universe, Lobotomize, Drain Life, Sniper, Reverse Time, Gravity Pull

[OldTrees]

Yes, but it chooses from this list:
Infect 0 +1card
Lightning 2 +1card
Ice Bolt (no reserve quanta) 0 +1card
Fire Bolt (no reserve quanta) 1 +1card
Freeze 1 +1card
Parallel Universe 7 +1card
Lobotomize 0 +1card
Drain Life (no reserve quanta) 0 +1card
Sniper 1 +1card
Reverse Time 2 +1card
Gravity Pull 2 +1card

Total: 16 /11+1card <1.5 +1card