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Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg244702#msg244702
« on: January 10, 2011, 09:56:20 pm »
NAME:
Shame
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
:darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target creature gains -5 | -0 .
NAME:
Shame
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
:darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target creature gains -5 | -0 .
ART:
only Yu (screenshot of
, taken from http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7528841 )
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
A cheap soft CC, can become a poor man's antimatter if used correctly.
SERIES:
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NAME:
Shame
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
:darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target Creature loses -5 | -0 .
NAME:
Shame
ELEMENT:
Darkness
COST:
:darkness
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Target Creature loses -5 | -0 .
ART:
only Yu (screenshot of
, taken from http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm7528841 )
IDEA:
Zblader
NOTES:
The inverse version of Blessing, meant as a cheap soft CC.
SERIES:
« Last Edit: August 29, 2012, 04:16:59 pm by Zblader »

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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg244765#msg244765
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2011, 12:06:09 am »
i´d say this would make a good soft CC card, since darkness technically has only one direct CC spell  :).

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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg244769#msg244769
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 12:19:09 am »
i´d say this would make a good soft CC card, since darkness technically has only one direct CC spell  :).
I see two: drain life and liquid shadow
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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg244772#msg244772
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 12:22:16 am »
i´d say this would make a good soft CC card, since darkness technically has only one direct CC spell  :).
I see two: drain life and liquid shadow
I said "Technically" has one "direct" CC spell, which means drain does direct damage,
Liquid shadow doesn´t do direct damage, it inflicts poison damage and gives vampire, also can be used on a
high attack and hp creature of your own, such as Collosal dragon for a good health drain effect, so it isn´t just CC is it?

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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg245631#msg245631
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2011, 03:18:06 am »
Any more feedback on this card before it get submitted to Crucible?

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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg246649#msg246649
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 03:27:20 pm »
Nice idea. As an inverse of blessing it could be an effective card. Atm this version is quite weak and somewhat negligable in deferance to permanent lobotomy or kills from cards like Liquid Shadow and Siphon Life.

To make the card more useful I think you should make it a true inverse to blessing and have the effect issue a -3/-3. Unlike other games like Magic where inverse cards need to be adjusted in their effective result , elements does not predicate creature to creature combat. Blessing offers creatures exagerations on abilities with creatures like Otyugh but this card in its current form cannot counter that benefit in any way.

Shame is a niice name but an antonym to blessing would be something like hex or curse or maybe even Dark Blessing.

When using any card in elements that reduces attack power, it needs to be decided if there will be a lower limit. I think that negative effects are nice in elements so sending an Otyugh into a -3 healing machine for you is a good thing.

The cost will need to come up to reflect blessing if you do add the -3 to HP with 3 :darkness/2 :darkness  respectively. If you choose to retain its current effect, then it is too expensve as is and needs to come down maybe to 1 :darkness, and then free.

As for art, and being an inverse of blessing, Why not a reflection of the blessings art with vampire wings and a dark star center.

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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg246656#msg246656
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 03:46:19 pm »
Based on Kael's review I would suggest -5|0 for 2|1 :darkness
Antiblessing has been done before. This is an attack debuff and I think it should remain that way.
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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg246936#msg246936
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2011, 12:03:06 am »
Based on Kael's review I would suggest -5|0 for 2|1 :darkness
Antiblessing has been done before. This is an attack debuff and I think it should remain that way.
Changes will be made accordingly.

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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg247162#msg247162
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2011, 06:12:55 am »
Based on Kael's review I would suggest -5|0 for 2|1 :darkness
Antiblessing has been done before. This is an attack debuff and I think it should remain that way.
Changes will be made accordingly.
Looks like an alternate Antimatter now and nothing to do with inverse blessing.

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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg247286#msg247286
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2011, 01:26:31 pm »
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-Your card text unfortunately has a slight skew. ^^; You're using a double negative that defeats the purpose of what you want it to actually do (reduce attack power); 'losing -5|-0' is the equivalent of saying 'gaining +5|+0'. The correct way you should probably phrase it is 'gains -5|-0', similar to wording on Rage Potion. :)
-*Your artwork... is questionable. But I'll let it slide for now.

Shame is an interesting concept; I never thought about card mechanics that would actually deal with the 'pride' of a creature, or more importantly how offensive they are. Philosophically, would creatures with little pride (attack) become remorseful of their actions, and thus try to gain favor of the enemy by healing them? (Reducing attack to below 0 = negative attack = healing)  ;)

I like this card, but as Kael stated, it doesn't really have much to do with your intent of having it as a 'Reverse Blessing' - Shame seems like  a weak Antimatter and combines beautifully with Liquid Shadow if you managed to get the creature significantly below their original attack, although I question its cost in relation to its effect.


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« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2011, 08:56:48 pm »
Well, I suppose the whole "Inverse Blessing" thing has hit the dust IMO.

-*Your artwork... is questionable. But I'll let it slide for now.

 However Kuraitou, can you explain to me what you mean by questionable artwork?  It might prevent a few problems in the future.  (No, I do not know japanese, but I assume that the artist allowed the images to be used since he/she provided a download link).

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Re: Shame | Shame https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19255.msg247606#msg247606
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2011, 09:03:41 pm »
Maybe it's cuz it's been taken from a video. That may cause problems.

Anyway, Kuroaitou... just try to imagine how an ashamed dragon would look like..

 

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