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Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg233565#msg233565
« on: December 26, 2010, 06:27:27 pm »
NAME:
Undead Ninja
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
5 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Switches between Poison and Momentum for each succesful attack.
NAME:
Effrayant Shinobi
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
:death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Switches between Poison and Momentum for each succesful attack.
ART:
bongoshock
IDEA:
Scaredgirl (original one found here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7127.0.html)), Zblader(remade version)
NOTES:
Effrayant means Scary in French.
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NAME:
Undead Ninja
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
5 :death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Switches its style for each succesful attack.  What style will he use next?
NAME:
Effrant Shinobi
ELEMENT:
Death
COST:
:death
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3 | 3
TEXT:
Switches its style for each succesful attack.  What style will she use next?
ART:
bongoshock
IDEA:
Scaredgirl (original), Zblader(remade version)
NOTES:
There is one style for each element.  The current style will be shown by a counter with the element appearing on the card.  :aether Dimensional, is immaterial.  :air Diving, does double damage.  :darkness Leech, gains vampire,  :death Poisonous Inflicts 1 poison for a succesful attack  :earth Quake, destroys a random permanent., :entropy Scramble, converts 3 quanta to random quanta., :fire Rage, Damage is increased by Number of fire quanta you have/10, :gravity  Momentum, ignores shields, :life Adrenaline, Performs 2 extra atacks that do 1 less damage.  :light Luciferae, generate X  Light quanta, X being the amount of creatures you have and heal yourself for 10 HP. :time, Deja vu, creaes a copy of itself. The copy is lobotomized.  :water, Freze, freezes the opponent's weapon slot.   Also, Effrayant means Scary in French.
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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg233883#msg233883
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 03:01:44 am »
Any love for this card? Comments? Recommnedations?

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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg233939#msg233939
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 04:54:08 am »
The idea behind my original card was that if you get 2 weaker attacks to hit, you can use a 3rd, more powerful attack. This way the idea of Undead Ninja would be that it's strong if you can chain those attacks, but weak if your opponent can block or evade, therefore breaking the chain.

I think that your idea is very interesting but it's very different from the original one. You have abandoned the whole concept of combos for which the original idea was built on, which is why it's not really a remake.

I would make this card :entropy because of all the randomness involved. I do like the idea that each element has its own special attack.


Short version:
Nice card. Not really a remake.

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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg235008#msg235008
« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2010, 09:13:33 pm »
I kind of agree with Scaredgirl here on the elemental issue - the 'random' attack style effect makes the Undead Ninja a better suited creature for :entropy rather than :death, especially since there's one unique effect for each element (as if it was constantly mutating to get a benefit, rather than building up combo points).

That said, combo points aside, the mechanic of 'changing attack' types (From a Momentum effect, dive/adrenaline attack, and then a poisonous effect) is retained technically speaking, except without a precise order. If the Undead Ninja had retained two types of attacks (one with Poison affliction, the other with Momentum), so it alternates like a pendulum between attacks (Attack 1 = Poison, Attack 2 = Momentum, Attack 3 = Poison, etc.), then I'd say it'd be a pretty awesome remake, but as is, it still qualifies.

...didn't know that there was such a thing as French ninjas. >_>

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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg235019#msg235019
« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2010, 09:36:14 pm »
Keep in mind the Upped version is female, and that Effrayant means scary. Now put two and two together...  ;)


If you don't get it, it's just a little tip of the hat to the original creator.


I'll spoiler my original ninja and change the attack to poison / momentum, because I think that would make a better remake as well.  Leaving it as  :death because of the poison effet though.

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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg235021#msg235021
« Reply #5 on: December 28, 2010, 09:39:20 pm »
Even if you do void the approval you can resubmit it again later :)

That said I think idea is interesting but it doesn't seem too similar to the original card. You could probably find some way to tweak it while keeping it more with the original theme.
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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg235022#msg235022
« Reply #6 on: December 28, 2010, 09:40:31 pm »
Even if you do void the approval you can resubmit it again later :)
Yeah,  I changed my mind after a bit of self-debate.  This card will undergo changes shortly.

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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg237996#msg237996
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2011, 05:38:54 pm »
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Card has been re-approved. I really like this version much, much better. :)

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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg238010#msg238010
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2011, 05:54:20 pm »
I think you meant Venom instead of Poison. This can be fixed before or after the competition.

It is a nice remake and takes advantage of Venom's Adrenaline effect.
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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg238067#msg238067
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2011, 06:44:26 pm »
I like the simplicity of this new version.

What I kind of don't like is the fact that the original combo mechanic with the 3rd most powerful attack, is missing. Original idea was that this would be a Street Fighter style of combo where you need to hit with previous attacks so that you can move forward with the combo. Having only two attacks is.. well, not a great combo because you are missing the "finish him!" final step of the combo.

But like I said I like the simplicity. The card looks good to me, but because the idea of the original card is lost, I'm giving the remake part of it a score of 5/10.

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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg238383#msg238383
« Reply #10 on: January 02, 2011, 02:20:37 am »
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Card has been re-approved. I really like this version much, much better. :)
Isnt there a typo that has to be fixed in bottom card for it to be approved
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Re: Undead Ninja | Effrayant Shinobi https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=18347.msg238384#msg238384
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2011, 02:23:02 am »
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Card has been re-approved. I really like this version much, much better. :)
Isnt there a typo that has to be fixed in bottom card for it to be approved
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You mean in the old version?  The one he's not trying to get approved?

 

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