River Styx|River Styx

[joebob777]

NAME: River Styx ELEMENT: Water COST: 9 TYPE: permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Depress: target creature gains skill Depressed. 25% chance target creature gains passive skill Immaterial	NAME: River Styx ELEMENT: Water COST: 8 TYPE: permanent ATK|HP: TEXT: Depress: target creature gains skill Depressed. 25% chance target creature gains passive skill Immaterial

ART: EmeraldTiger IDEA: Joebob777 NOTES: ***Insert additional information*** SERIES: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18071.msg245802#msg245802

in greek mythology, the river styx circled hades nine times, being made out of false dreams. the false dreams idea gave me the idea of depression. depression makes the target ceature lose one attack each turn. but there is a cathc, that is immortality. in greek myths, achilles was dipped into this river to gain immortality exect in his ankle (achilles heel) but since there is no achilles heel in immortality, i decided just to make creature immortal and give depression

that is where i got my idea, hope you like.
also, need a befitting element, i chose death because it is in the underworld, but i know there can be a better one, please help
any help with art would be fine also

[EmeraldTiger]

how is this?

[joebob777]

thanks for the pic

[ZephyrPhantom]

That is one sweet-looking card image.  Just don't forget to credit emerald tiger.

[joebob777]

since not nearly as many posts as my other rivers, is it crucible ready, or should i wait for entire series

[Nepycros]

Nonetheless, why would I want to spend 11 to make one creature immaterial and lose 1 attack every turn. I assume it doesn't go negative, so it's basically 16 to make 4 creatures immaterial, and by then, you've wasted 4 turns to make your creatures immortal. That means, in the time it takes for this 1 card to get around 4 immaterials, I could just use 16 for 4 Quintessences.

I get how it can be used offensively, but the card is so slow, it's not worth it.

Also, this card seems to have little to do with death, seeing as how it offers immortality. Sure, I can get the 'opposition from element' theme, but this is too far out to be thematically correct.

[joebob777]

Nonetheless, why would I want to spend 11 to make one creature immaterial and lose 1 attack every turn. I assume it doesn't go negative, so it's basically 16 to make 4 creatures immaterial, and by then, you've wasted 4 turns to make your creatures immortal. That means, in the time it takes for this 1 card to get around 4 immaterials, I could just use 16 for 4 Quintessences.

I get how it can be used offensively, but the card is so slow, it's not worth it.

Also, this card seems to have little to do with death, seeing as how it offers immortality. Sure, I can get the 'opposition from element' theme, but this is too far out to be thematically correct.

alot of the cards in this game is slow, i will be ready to reduce the cost, but does every card have to be based around a rush deck, and the point of the card was not to make immartial, that was a consequence that will only happen 5% of the time
as for teh death thing, i said previously i did not expect it to be death, it is just i chose death as the first element because the river styx is in the underworld

[Nepycros]

Well, if that is so, then you had better correct it, because I had NO idea you were talking about making things IMMATERIAL. I assumed Immartial might be a new skill. Now, I like the card even less. What purpose does it really achieve?

[joebob777]

aah, crud, i always misread that word, ugh i dont know how to reply to that simple spelling error . . .  :|
the only thing i can say is that from your first message you pretty much got the point, it shouldnt make the card less valueble in your eyes but should make it not more valueble

[Nepycros]

Now, to observe combos. I would use this on an opponent's high ATT creature, by playing this and BB, so I have 6 turns to make the creature a living statue, completely immobile. I'd use it on low ATT creatures quickly so I can ensure that they won't end up killing me. I'd also use this on my own creatures to make sure they don't kill themselves on a pesky shield.

The real issue here, is that is doesn't fit in well with the rest of the element, I mean to say, it doesn't benefit from any of the cards in Death. It reduces attack, not health, and it doesn't trigger death effects, doesn't benefit from death effects, and doesn't result in the death of a creature. Thematically, it fits, but in terms of synergy, it doesn't even fit with its own element. I have no suggestions as to how I would change it.

[joebob777]

as said twice before, i did not intend for it to be death, i just cant think of another element right at this moment, i only made it death because it is the main river of the underworld, circling the palace of hades 9 times (9 circles of hell)

[joebob777]

updated card to fix typo and change to a more befiting element