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Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg227639#msg227639
« on: December 18, 2010, 09:51:53 pm »
NAME:
Fountain
ELEMENT:
light
COST:
10
TYPE:
permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Heals every creature for 2 HP's.Has a chance of creating a light monster or light quanta
NAME:
Fountain
ELEMENT:
Light
COST:
9
TYPE:
permanent
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Heals every creature for 2 HP's.Has a chance of creating a light monster or light quanta
ART:
Vrt
IDEA:
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NOTES:
The chances are: 1-5 light quanta 50% Photon 30% Guardian Angel 8% Pegasus 6% Crusader 5% Light Dragon 1%. The dragons skill costs more since it summons a random UPGRADED monster
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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg227684#msg227684
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2010, 10:45:07 pm »
This card costs too much. If it were a creature [0|1] then it would cost 3[1:]|2[2:]. However permanents cost more for their skills so 5[1:]|4[2:] is appropriate.

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The chances are: 1-5 light quanta 50% Photon 30% Guardian Angel 8% Pegasus 6% Crusader 5% Light Dragon 1%. The dragons skill costs more since it summons a random UPGRADED monster
the following values are derived from my Card Design thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16655.0.html).

1 Light quanta [Value 1, Chance 10%]
2 Light quanta [Value 2, Chance 10%]
3 Light quanta [Value 3, Chance 10%]
4 Light quanta [Value 4, Chance 10%]
5 Light quanta [Value 5, Chance 10%]
1 Photon [Value 2, Chance 30%]
1 Guardian Angel [Value 5, Chance 8%]
1 Pegasus [Value 6, Chance 6%]
1 Crusader [Value 7, Chance 5%]
1 Golden Dragon [Value 14, Chance 1%]
Expected Value = 3.35

1 Light quanta [Value 1, Chance 10%]
2 Light quanta [Value 2, Chance 10%]
3 Light quanta [Value 3, Chance 10%]
4 Light quanta [Value 4, Chance 10%]
5 Light quanta [Value 5, Chance 10%]
1 Ray of Light [Value 3, Chance 30%]
1 Archangel [Value 11, Chance 8%]
1 Elite Pegasus [Value 7, Chance 6%]
1 Crusader [Value 8, Chance 5%]
1 Golden Dragon [Value 16, Chance 1%]
Expected Value = 4.26
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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg227803#msg227803
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2010, 12:51:47 am »
the upped card creates upped creatures I thought it should cost this much because it can make more than it costs since it dosent disappear and isnt 16 golden dragons upped for 11 light quanta a bit too much?

and u can get 6 of these thats all the chances multiplied by 6! (even more with one of my other cards which stays in play and has a chance to make more)

one of the upgraded ones over 9 turns is 3 light quanta each turn to make more light quanta or any light creature I actually thought at first of it draining all of your light quanta

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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg227806#msg227806
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2010, 12:56:55 am »
the upped card creates upped creatures I thought it should cost this much because it can make more than it costs since it dosent disappear and isnt 16 golden dragons upped for 11 light quanta a bit too much?
Remember for every Dragon there will be 30 photons.

The expected value is not the maximum nor the minimum value.

The expected value of the Second half of the effect is worth 3.35|4.26 quanta
The value of the first half of the effect is worth 3-4 quanta (I had forgotten this part in my previous calculation)

Ideal: Casting Cost: 8|7 :light, Activation Cost: 1|2 :light

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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg227809#msg227809
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2010, 12:59:44 am »
might change it to that too much work for now and look at my edited post (the card which I'm thinking of making costs 3 darkness and 3 entropy to use a skill for 50% chance of losing 15 HP 40% gaining pest and 10% gaining fountain again think of best chance fractalling that creature and pumping out quanta and spamming fountains)

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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg227814#msg227814
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2010, 01:08:43 am »
might change it to that too much work for now and look at my edited post (the card which I'm thinking of making costs 3 darkness and 3 entropy to use a skill for 50% chance of losing 15 HP 40% gaining pest and 10% gaining fountain again think of best chance fractalling that creature and pumping out quanta and spamming fountains)
Hold off on editing the image (I know how long that takes ;))

When you have N fountains the chances and costs are both multiplied by N. So it remains balanced.

Why would a Dark card using entropy create a Light permanent?
Why for that matter is Fountain associated with Light?
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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg227820#msg227820
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2010, 01:29:23 am »
well the cards called con
you might have a small chance of winning but the odds are against you
odds would be randomness would be entropy
in stuff like that you could win something very valuable
fountains (most) are pretty valuable
a fountain of light XD
and I needed 1 more card to finish my set

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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg228269#msg228269
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2010, 02:42:17 pm »
You might want to call it a healing spring, fountain is just too :water like.
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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg228597#msg228597
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2010, 08:51:23 pm »
k I prob wont wanna change it till tonight it took alot of work and I stayed up to 11 last night so mayb later

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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg1121649#msg1121649
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2014, 12:34:08 am »
beautiful card only change the art not the type it is beautiful    :o  ;)
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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg1121702#msg1121702
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2014, 05:43:09 am »
beautiful card only change the art not the type it is beautiful    :o  ;)

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Re: Fountain | Fountain https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17842.msg1125113#msg1125113
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2014, 04:23:55 pm »
i meant change the cost

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