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Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217034#msg217034
« on: December 05, 2010, 06:55:18 am »
This is a pretty simple idea, but it creates a lot of synergy between Life and Death.

Input is appreciated.

NAME:
Queen Bee
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
6 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|7
TEXT:
:life :life : Bee
Generate a Bee.
NAME:
Queen Wasp
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
6 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|7
TEXT:
:life :life : Wasp
Generate a Wasp.
NAME:
Bee
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
2 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|3
TEXT:
Hive Mind: Dies if you do not have at least 1 Queen Bee on the field.
 :death : Sting
NAME:
Wasp
ELEMENT:
Life
COST:
2 :life
TYPE:
Creature
ATK|HP:
3|3
TEXT:
Hive Mind: Dies if you do not have at least 1 Queen Wasp on the field.
 :death : Infection
ART:
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IDEA:
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NOTES:
:Sting makes the creature using it lose 1 HP and adds 1 poison counter to the target creature.
:Infection is already in the game, and is like :Sting without losing any HP.
Bee|Wasp is not a standalone creature, and can only be obtained through the Queen.
EDIT: Reduced quanta costs for the Queens by 1.

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http://www.bugaboopest.com/Honey_Bee.jpg
http://www.bugaboopest.com/wasp1.jpg

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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217043#msg217043
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2010, 07:19:54 am »
A less powerful version of FFQ. Buff needed.

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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217058#msg217058
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2010, 07:42:26 am »
Queen Bee should cost 4 + Cost of Bee
3 (attack) +1 (5<HP<8] -1 (Activation Cost 2-3) -1 (Life Bonus) +2+X (Bee)
X=value of bee

Queen Wasp should cost 4 + Cost of Wasp
3 (attack) +1 (5<HP<8] -1 (Activation Cost 2-3) -1 (Life Bonus) +2+X (Wasp) -[1-2] (upgrade)
X=value of wasp (this does not include the unpgrade cost reduction. ~= Upgraded casting cost +[1-2])
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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217061#msg217061
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2010, 07:48:11 am »
A less powerful version of FFQ. Buff needed.
How is it less powerful?

Queen Bee should cost 4 + Cost of Bee
3 (attack) +1 (5<HP<8] -1 (Activation Cost 2-3) -1 (Life Bonus) +2+X (Bee)
X=value of bee

Queen Wasp should cost 4 + Cost of Wasp
3 (attack) +1 (5<HP<8] -1 (Activation Cost 2-3) -1 (Life Bonus) +2+X (Wasp) -[1-2] (upgrade)
X=value of wasp (this does not include the unpgrade cost reduction. ~= Upgraded casting cost +[1-2])
I don't quite understand. If it makes a difference, Bee|Wasp is not a standalone creature.
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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217067#msg217067
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2010, 07:55:12 am »
The Casting Cost of Bee|Wasp should be calculated as if it were a standalone card.
Once you have that value you can plug it into the equation I posted to tell you the balanced Casting Cost of the Queen Bee|Queen Wasp.

 Explanation of formula. (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,16655.0.html)
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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217068#msg217068
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2010, 07:59:42 am »
I don't see how it's less powerful than a FFQ. Same stats, ability, and casting cost. And what it spawns are more powerful, in my opinion. I think it's an overall decent and balanced card. Without the queen bee, it's bee's die, and that's a good offset for it's ability. Might be a bit too powerful, at that, for poison decks.
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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217106#msg217106
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2010, 09:18:02 am »
Is sting more powerful than infection? ???
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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217117#msg217117
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2010, 09:28:55 am »
Is sting more powerful than infection? ???
Nah. The only difference is that sting makes the Bee lose 1 HP.
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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217308#msg217308
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2010, 04:22:43 pm »
Is sting more powerful than infection? ???
Everytime I read your questions I just think "why don't you just read what you already read again", because most of your questions can be answered by the information text itself ;)

OT: I like the idea! Sounds balanced as well ;)
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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217664#msg217664
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2010, 11:59:54 pm »
Is sting more powerful than infection? ???
Everytime I read your questions I just think "why don't you just read what you already read again", because most of your questions can be answered by the information text itself ;)

:Sting makes the creature using it lose 1 HP and adds 1 poison counter to the target creature.
 This is what made me think it loses 1 HP, plus adding a poison counter.
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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217816#msg217816
« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2010, 03:57:35 am »
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-Use the pipe or divider symbol, "|", to separate the stat values in both of your ATK|HP sections of the tables. Do not use slashes or '/', because those do not match with the card image
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I appreciate what this card is doing, especially as it re-establishes the subtle combination of :death and :life in a deck - Thorn Carapace and Scorpions not withstanding, of course. I also like the touch of how Sting 'kills' the bee; in real life, Bees generally die upon stinging a perceived hostile target if their stingers gets lodged deeply into the skin, because when they try to fly away afterward, the stinger is left behind (alongside a huge part of their internal anatomy and skin), which makes them vulnerable/sensitive to the environment.

I guess the question is: Fireflies or Bees? Decisions decisions for a creature spam deck...

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Re: Queen Bee | Queen Wasp https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=17014.msg217854#msg217854
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