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Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg207684#msg207684
« on: November 23, 2010, 03:42:35 pm »
NAME:
Dissolution
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Destroy a frozen creature. Generate 10  :water quanta and one quanta for each other element.
NAME:
Thaw
ELEMENT:
Water
COST:
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Destroy a frozen creature. Generate 12  :water quanta and one quanta for each other element.
ART:
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NOTES:
It can be used only on your creatures
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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg207844#msg207844
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2010, 07:47:35 pm »
1)To get a correctly sized picture

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2) :Water is the quanta. Water is the element. Please fix this
3) Cost is not nd. Cost may be 0 but be very careful. 0 cost cards unupped deserve almost no effect.
4) leave Atk|HP blank. Do not put nd.
4a) Do not put nd anywhere. It is improper syntax. Leave those parts blank.
5) If this can target the opponents frozen creatures then it is more powerful than Shockwave for a much lower cost.
6) Why would thawing a frozen creature kill the creature?
7) There already is a card suggested that would remove the frozen condition and generate water quanta. You might want to look at it. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13702.0.html

The first card is always the hardest.

I will post comments on your other first cards as soon as I have time tonight.
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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg207854#msg207854
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2010, 07:57:57 pm »
1)To get a correctly sized picture

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2) :Water is the quanta. Water is the element. Please fix this
3) Cost is not nd. Cost may be 0 but be very careful. 0 cost cards unupped deserve almost no effect.
4) leave Atk|HP blank. Do not put nd.
4a) Do not put nd anywhere. It is improper syntax. Leave those parts blank.
5) If this can target the opponents frozen creatures then it is more powerful than Shockwave for a much lower cost.
6) Why would thawing a frozen creature kill the creature?
7) There already is a card suggested that would remove the frozen condition and generate water quanta. You might want to look at it. http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13702.0.html

The first card is always the hardest.

I will post comments on your other first cards as soon as I have time tonight.
Thanks for your suggestions...I fought to kill the frozer creature because if it doesn't, it will be overpowered I think

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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg207861#msg207861
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2010, 08:11:07 pm »
yeah it would make it less overpowered if used against yourself, but if you start freezing the opponent left and right and firing those off the opponent won't have any creatures.

unless I'm missing something.

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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg208307#msg208307
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 08:34:17 am »
The card is so small it can't see its effect just by looking at it. Anyways, it is definitely OP. Lightning costs 2 :aether but only deals 5 damage, this card kills no matter the HP and gains 10 :water quanta and one other quanta for each element.
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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg208336#msg208336
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 10:35:02 am »
If I had to guess, I would say that it's the water equivalent to immolation, so it's a sacrifice effect as opposed to a destroy one.

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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg208377#msg208377
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 12:32:24 pm »
The card is so small it can't see its effect just by looking at it. Anyways, it is definitely OP. Lightning costs 2 :aether but only deals 5 damage, this card kills no matter the HP and gains 10 :water quanta and one other quanta for each element.
it 's not so much overpowered i think...because, to use it many times you must have 6 freeze and 6 thaw in your deck that deal space for some other cards...i don t know... :'(

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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg208446#msg208446
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2010, 03:50:21 pm »
The card is so small it can't see its effect just by looking at it. Anyways, it is definitely OP. Lightning costs 2 :aether but only deals 5 damage, this card kills no matter the HP and gains 10 :water quanta and one other quanta for each element.
it 's not so much overpowered i think...because, to use it many times you must have 6 freeze and 6 thaw in your deck that deal space for some other cards...i don t know... :'(

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This card instantly kills a frozen creature and gain 10 :water
Shockwave instantly kills a frozen creature but is Air and drains 2|1 :air

This card is superior to shockwave and has no right to be.

It is not about using this many times being OP (it would be) rather it is about using this once is OP.
Either this card needs to have a higher cost (either in quanta,cards,life, ...) or it needs to not instantly kill the opponents frozen creature (only be able to target your creatures,only removes frozen status, ...)

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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg208465#msg208465
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2010, 04:21:00 pm »
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This card instantly kills a frozen creature and gain 10 :water
Shockwave instantly kills a frozen creature but is Air and drains 2|1 :air

This card is superior to shockwave and has no right to be.

It is not about using this many times being OP (it would be) rather it is about using this once is OP.
Either this card needs to have a higher cost (either in quanta,cards,life, ...) or it needs to not instantly kill the opponents frozen creature (only be able to target your creatures,only removes frozen status, ...)

Don't forget to read this thread: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,13702.0.html
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NOTES:
it can be used only on your creatures
Everyone should read the notes

Edit : Text should be something like this
Sacrifice a frozen creature to generate 10 :water plus 1 quantum for each non-water element.

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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg208471#msg208471
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2010, 04:28:31 pm »
Sorry I didn't notice the note changed.

I am still confused on how defrosting a creature would kill it.
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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg208520#msg208520
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2010, 05:33:41 pm »
Sorry I didn't notice the note changed.

I am still confused on how defrosting a creature would kill it.
I added the note trying to nerf the card...I think now is less overpowered...

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Re: Dissolution | Thaw https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=16222.msg208776#msg208776
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2010, 12:10:08 am »
I guess it is a little better now.
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