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Mind Riot (Experimental AI5 and FG deck, 30-40% FG win rate) https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg204575#msg204575
« on: November 19, 2010, 04:10:04 pm »
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This deck was posted before the 1.32 game update and as a result may work very differently now.  Use at your own risk.

A FG deck with new name burrowed from a Soundgarden song. Naturally also works against lvl 5 with higher win rate.
Prevent yourself from decking out: bounce a malignant cell with eternity and mindgate it.
Yeah, I kind of mislead you. ;) This does use a Brimstone Eater, but only as an Eternity bait.
Suggestions: Spine Carapace, Phase Shield, perhaps another Unstoppable. otherwise seems self explanatory.

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg204681#msg204681
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2010, 08:06:54 pm »
legit indeed! This works! Traded the grav shield for another unstoppable initially, might want to squeeze another afla in there too, but we'll see. thanks mate! 8)

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg204776#msg204776
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2010, 10:43:29 pm »
Tested this and had pretty good results, didn't bother to keep stats, sorry. It's real fun deck to play with, cos all those 1-ofs keep you guessing whether the next card will give you some new tactical options. If only this wasn't so darn slow to play with. :P

I traded Gravity Shield and B.Eater for Spine Carapace and :aether Pendulum. I like how SC works with Malignant Cells. Pen cos I tend to overuse Eternity on enemy early, and like to get lots of cards with Mindgate.

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg204785#msg204785
« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2010, 10:50:17 pm »
OMG this looks so very good!
I do worry about a couple things....
I would not put a phase shield in this deck you already have one 3 cost Aether card and a 4 cost that has additional cost to use it's effect.
Maybe some CC? Creatures that iggnore shields could get old fast, however you do have a way around it. M. cells early enough and then something to get rid of them latter, idk. Now that I think about it you have tons of healing so a Spine Carapace seems good for that. You can just out last it while you watch thier stuff die.
To be 100% honest I love this deck but is there enough quantum towers?

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg204793#msg204793
« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2010, 11:05:11 pm »
well... after further playing I decided to try to get down to the nuts and bolts of it and optimize it. I took out everything that made it fun, and geared it towards grinding instead. Do you really need destroy? steal? mindgate? etc etc. Well, no. so I turned your fun deck into a boring deck, but it will probably have a better win ratio, if thats the goal. And there is plenty of room for improvement !

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg204805#msg204805
« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2010, 11:37:30 pm »
Thanks for the replies, guys. Much appreciated.  :)

@lokiburn4: That's an interesting version of the deck. Will try it out. I've been trying different variations to make the deck as stable as possible without taking out too much of the fun. But Brimstone Eater was actually not just a gimmick to draw people in. It's actually a better choice than RoL due to automulligan (with RoL there is an uncomfortably high chance you will end up with no towers and 1 RoL in starting hand), and against FGs that may actually force using eternity lock to prevent deckout, Brimstone Eater can actually pay for itself due to its effect because most of these have no CC and you can freely play it to accumulate fire quanta before Eternity spin starts.

@zse: Interesting edits. I love mindgate + eternity combo, so any way to make more use of that is great.

@LongDono: I guess I wasn't too clear, but those hasty suggestions were meant to be replacement for other cards in the deck. Looking into some good CC options, for now Pandemonium looks like a good one.

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg204837#msg204837
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2010, 12:08:05 am »
Also I would take out 1 eternity for a rewind.
At the end of the game when you are reverse timing brimstone you will either have another eternity in your hand or a rewind. What sounds better?
Also if you are being rushed having a rewind might make or break you.

Also add another protect in there?
Higher chance of drawing it early against gods where that is key, and you might be able to use it  on a better shield later in the game like the permafrost and basicaly have a shield that is much better. ( unless you need the reflect of mirror shield. )
I would take out mindgate and improved steal and add in what I said, but I could be wrong. Maybe the second eternity should go out too if you add what I said.
I will admit  that the bad part about my suggestion is that if there is no need for protect you then have 2 dead cards.
Also if you take the midgate, improved steal, and eternity out and add in the protect, and rewind then you can also add another unstoppable or tower. I have a feeling the deck might be slow as it wont draw towers as often as other decks so adding another tower might add some speed and let you get out stuff faster.

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg204990#msg204990
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2010, 04:31:54 am »
lol, played FQ and was like... oh yea, thats why i need destroy. I didnt know that about rol, how about photon, same thing? the thing is.... I dont want to play my rewind slave early because it might get nuked.

Oh, and the second eternity IS good, because then you dont have to be afraid to play one before you get your PA. And controlling 1/2 the cards the FG draws is uber-powerful!

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg205085#msg205085
« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2010, 08:01:28 am »
I'm guessing this is a streamlined dune scorp deck so why is there only 1 unstoppable?

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg205102#msg205102
« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2010, 09:29:48 am »
i thought Legit came up with this deck idea

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg205195#msg205195
« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2010, 02:37:40 pm »
Ran out of creative names for this deck, besides legit is a pretty good thing to say about anything.  ;)

@LongDono: 2 Eternity or Rewind is a tricky one. This time I used two on Time mark and 1 Eternity 1 Rewind in Entropy mark.

@lokiburn4: Yeah, that single BE really does help out. Maybe someone can elaborate if they know a lot about how automulligan exactly works, but basically from what I understand, all free cost cards have a chance of showing up instead of any pillars/towers in opening draw.

@MrMojo: 2 Unstoppables will work, but you only really need 1, and this deck can potentially stall and draw the whole deck quickly. (and you won't die obviously because of Eternity preventing deckout)

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Re: Legit 30 card FG Deck with Brimstone Eater https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=15966.msg205202#msg205202
« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2010, 02:45:27 pm »
Isn't 3 sheilds a bit to high? If not, use a unupgraded thorn carapace, to get those 1 attack creatures.

 

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