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Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178643#msg178643
« on: October 17, 2010, 09:49:09 pm »
NAME:
Accretion
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
4 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Place a copy of the target elemental permanent into your field.
NAME:
Simultaneous Accretion
ELEMENT:
Gravity
COST:
5 :gravity
TYPE:
Spell
ATK|HP:
TEXT:
Place two copies of the target elemental permanent into your field.
ART:
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IDEA:
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NOTES:
Elemental means it cannot be from the "other" category (no quantum pillars or SoGs)

This is similar to steal, but it does not remove the card from the opponent.  This card has several strategic uses, to add more of your own permanents or to copy your opponents permanents (I can imagine a mindgate duo deck using this to get the pillars/pends you need to play the cards you mindgate into your hand).  Most permanents are at or under 5 quanta cost, so 4 seems OK to me and 5 for the upped is the bonus of being an upped card (with additional cost tacked on).  The costs may be high, relative to steal which destroys and produces a target permanent.  I would appreciate feedback on suggested costs.

For the upped, if a weapon or shield is targeted, the weapon or shield will go into their respective slot twice, but effectively only appear to be one copy.

This card idea grew from my coalesce idea, which was received with pretty much a "meh." response.  This expands the use from pillars/pends to all permanents, but instead of filling your hand, it makes a copy or two.  It is also now gravity.


The idea is that gravity is used to pull small objects together to make a new copy of something.  Here is more information on accretion and its relation to gravity in reality-

Accretion (astrophysics) from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia:

In astrophysics, the term accretion is used for at least two distinct processes.

The first and most common is the growth of a massive object by gravitationally attracting more matter, typically gaseous matter in an accretion disc. Accretion discs are common around smaller stars or stellar remnants in a close binary, or black holes in the centers of spiral galaxies. Some dynamics in the disc are necessary to allow orbiting gas to lose angular momentum and fall onto the central massive object. Occasionally, this can result in stellar surface fusion.

The second process is somewhat analogous to the one in atmospheric science. In the nebular theory, accretion refers to the collision and sticking of cooled microscopic dust and ice particles electrostatically, in protoplanetary discs and Gas giant protoplanet systems, eventually leading to planetesimals which gravitationally accrete more small particles and other planetesimals.

Use of the term accretion disc for the protoplanetary disc thus leads to confusion over the planetary accretion process, although in many cases it may well be that both accretion processes are happening simultaneously. T Tauri is an example of this phenomenon.
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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178644#msg178644
« Reply #1 on: October 17, 2010, 09:50:57 pm »
Into your field?  Into your hand or on to your field?

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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178652#msg178652
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2010, 10:02:21 pm »
into your permanent portion of your field.
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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178707#msg178707
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2010, 11:28:32 pm »
I think the cost should go down a bit.
It's like steal, except that you don't destroy the permanent, so maybe make it 3/2?

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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178722#msg178722
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2010, 11:53:53 pm »
well the upped one makes 2 copies.  and the difference her is it can be effectively used on your own permanents.  so maybe 3 and 4, or 3 for both possibly, instead?
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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178747#msg178747
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2010, 12:37:51 am »
Ya, I missed that somehow ><.
3/4 sounds good.

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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178844#msg178844
« Reply #6 on: October 18, 2010, 02:41:09 am »
So its almost like a PU for permanents ?
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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178855#msg178855
« Reply #7 on: October 18, 2010, 03:01:52 am »
yeah, in a way.  but with the limitation of not allowing 'other' permanents to be copied, and the upped version generating 2 copies.
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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178886#msg178886
« Reply #8 on: October 18, 2010, 04:28:30 am »
Um... Feral Bond? Graveyard?  :o

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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178976#msg178976
« Reply #9 on: October 18, 2010, 11:43:14 am »
yep, those would be two good uses for this card.  graveyard is limited in a way by having a max number of creatures on the field, after a certain point you really wouldnt need them anymore (or additional ones).  the bond would be a really good target, assuming you have a good number of creatures to make use of it, making it controllable by both the opponent's CC and PC.
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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg178984#msg178984
« Reply #10 on: October 18, 2010, 12:01:39 pm »
I really like this idea.  It even has a way to counter shard spam (doesn't work on Other cards).  Very nicely done.

So...

Applicable Permanents
- All weapons and shields (except 'Other')
- All Pendulums/Pillars
- Empathic Bond
- Graveyard
- Golden Hourglass
- Nightfall
- Flooding
- Mindgate
- Sundial

How will this interact with Bone Wall?  On a similar note, if you use this upped on a Bone Wall, how many counters do you receive?

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Re: Accretion | Simultaneous Accretion https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=14146.msg179423#msg179423
« Reply #11 on: October 18, 2010, 11:28:45 pm »
with bone wall, you would get the number of counters currently on the existing bone wall.  upped will be the same number, it will just overwrite the first one, same as weapons and the other shields.  i see where you were going with that question line, but i think it would be OP to allow you to make accumulative counters on the copies.

also, note that untargetable permanents are not targetable to be copied, such as the glories, hopes, etcs.  however, permanents that state "cannot be destroyed or stolen" *can* be copied, as they are not being destroyed nor stolen.
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